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05-13-2013 02:57 AM  6 years ago
icanfly

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this is funny, the odds of getting hit by a heli at a demo has got to be 1 in 100,000.

The kid in Korea died, his father maimed. It was Korea right? And at a Soccer fest, darn rc'rs wanting to show off again.

The Ryan kid and several upstarts are really talented flying 3d no doubt about that, compared to old fogies who are stuck in their ways.

At a distance the safety margin rises, that's where the young guy kept it. If the heli hit the deck far from the audience the energy on impact would have dissipated rapidly. A new machine is far more airworthy than something older. Looked like the heli Ryan flew was mint fresh.

Everyone KNOWS the risk of attending an airshow event, EVERYONE. There's a history to back any doubts about aviation catastrophes at airshows. Rc though much smaller might have as much potential however, keep that in mind next time you go out to fly.

Personally, I've been there done that with near misses and had one just a few days ago with a filmer, it's to be expected some times. Just try to stay ahead of the loop and no one gets hurt.
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05-13-2013 03:34 AM  6 years ago
HeliOCD

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I think maybe you Mckrackin should stay away from helis not us.
I find it odd you dont see what most here clearly do see.
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05-13-2013 04:24 AM  6 years ago
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Heli at school
"Mom, tomorrow Ryan is flying an RC helicopter for the talent show." I've realized 99% of the population don't understand the size, power, and capability of the pro-grade rc helicopters.

I don't know how close the kids actually were to the demonstration, but, I'm certain the ACLU could watch this video and probably win a case for placing multiple students at risk. The best part is they would ultimately sue the District school board for allowing this to occur and our own tax dollars would pay it. Sorry for my opinion, but I think the circumstance was a horrible choice. The faculty of the school and especially the students just don't understand the "what ifs" with these.

Here's another thought---Would it have been okay for a kid to bring a pit bull in for show and tell? I've own pits-great dogs-but I've also seen what they can do to a hog while hunting, I wouldn't want my kid near the Pit Bull, it's just too risky and they can snap.
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05-13-2013 05:06 AM  6 years ago
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man, no wonder Plankers hate helisJim
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05-13-2013 05:06 AM  6 years ago
dela

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Facts:

Those precious children were NO MORE THAN 45 ft from the Heli takeoff position.

The parents of those children HAD NO CLUE of the danger posed by that Heli.

An electrical or mechanical failure during the initial hover or spoolup could easily brought the Heli that distance.

Fortunately, v-bars (or receivers or whatever ) never fail. https://rc.runryder.com/t734136p1/

Did I get any facts wrong?
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05-13-2013 05:53 AM  6 years ago
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People from all over the country who were actually not part of the event are now quoting "facts" that they know for sure are irrefutable.

All of a sudden, the hobby that we all participate in has become one of the most dangerous sports on the face of the earth, and to demonstrate the act of flying one has become an act of negligence, foisted on completely clueless parents, who have no idea what is going on with their children and the school they attend.

In spite of what is visible on the video, the demonstration was well within the safety guidelines as published by the Academy of Model Aeronautics.

All we have seen here is "what might have happened", "what could have happened", and that helicopters are so dangerous that they continually shed blades, go down in flames, and in general are so unreliable that the public at large should run and hide under bunkers and cry "shame" whenever they see or even hear a helicopter being flown.

Tomorrow morning, we can all rest just a bit easier, as many of us horrible, dangerous helicopter owners will be at work, and the public can once again go about their daily lives, knowing there are no hazards they will encounter that are as dangerous as a five minute helicopter flight, performed several hundred feet away from the view of spectators, at altitudes reaching several hundred feet.

You know, those kids were all out in the sunshine watching this event. They were subjected to all sorts of dangerous solar radiation, all of whom you can be sure, did not have proper amounts of sunscreen on, and perhaps even ran the risk of becoming dehydrated without lots of bottled water being passed out.
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05-13-2013 05:59 AM  6 years ago
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This whole thread is a waste of bandwidth in light of the video it represents....what we need is more rules, more regulations, for sure! lets all live in FEAR...sounds like you been watching too much CNN..Ban the Ban.
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05-13-2013 06:17 AM  6 years ago
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What if flyin ryan did have a mishap and a child was injured or killed?

it was an unnecessary risk to the hobby as a whole
nobody thought about the heli comunity being put at risk
if ryan wants too show off his heli let him do it a sanctioned field

I think a day trip to the field would have been more enjoyable plus the parents would have asked the right questions then
spending time, paying attention
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05-13-2013 06:27 AM  6 years ago
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""it was an unnecessary risk to the hobby as a whole ""
thank you ICUR1-2, as that is what I was trying to point out in the other thread

I know where I can fly demos every 2 weeks and make $300 for each demo, but in know way in h3ll am I going to put 20 or more, unknowing, people, into the potential danger

I know other flyers that have been flying for many many years and they have stopped flying at funflys do to the fact that most spectators have no clue of the danger
Jim
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05-13-2013 06:41 AM  6 years ago
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If you're going to spout irrelevant crap,get the facts straight.
Those helis were being flown over a crowd of people who didn't even know the helis would be there.
I totally agree that these were two completely different scenarios, but I fail to see how you could call that fatal incident "irrelevant."

In Ryan's video, every single person in attendance knew that they were there to watch an rc helicopter... but if it just so happened to end with fatal consequences, would this somehow have been more 'OK' than the other incident because the people knew they were there to watch an RC helicopter?

I'm just trying to understand what you're trying to say.
So what, it isn't on school property with a bunch of first graders nearby. So what the heck does that have to do with this safety discussion relating to school children
Just to be clear, I created this thread in response Ryan's video, but not solely to judge him or his father. This thread is for the discussion of the safety issue in our hobby in general.
I find it odd you dont see what most here clearly do see.
What are you talking about?
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05-13-2013 06:51 AM  6 years ago
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I wonder what the AMA would say about that demo, but I'm sure McKrackin will tell usJim
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05-13-2013 06:54 AM  6 years ago
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In spite of what is visible on the video, the demonstration was well within the safety guidelines as published by the Academy of Model Aeronautics.
Does the fact that a particular flight complies with guidelines set by the AMA automatically make it a non hazardous event? From what I understand, as long as you comply with these guidelines, the AMA will back you, no matter where you are flying... so does this mean that I could take a 700 to busy CBD area and start smacking? Obviously this is an exaggerated example, as I'm sure there are some exceptions to the 'anywhere' you can fly (at least I hope so!).

Don't get me wrong here, I personally don't see anything too wrong with little Ryan's flight, just with some of your arguments.
This whole thread is a waste of bandwidth in light of the video it represents....what we need is more rules, more regulations,
Care to elaborate?
I wonder what the AMA would say about that demo
You are placing too much emphasis on the AMA. If somebody abides by the AMA, good... it suggests that they are being relatively safe. But it does not guarantee that a catastrophe will not happen.
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05-13-2013 07:03 AM  6 years ago
dela

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I suggest that we leave the pilot's name out of this conversation. That child bears ZERO responsibility for any safety concerns related to that flight demo.
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05-13-2013 07:05 AM  6 years ago
Gearhead

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here, this is a good read, notice what the poster says about the parents, people just don't have a clue of the potential danger

http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=525020
Jim
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05-13-2013 07:10 AM  6 years ago
dela

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AMA guidelines: 65 ft between safety line and spectators.
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05-13-2013 07:19 AM  6 years ago
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McKrackin, did you really say this on HF

""Originally Posted by McKrackin
Why can't you understand that the people in the park have a right to their safety from out of control aircraft?

Flying aircraft is not a normal hazard in a park.

You have no right to introduce hazards to a park.

The people you hurt will not be involved with your hobby.

If there is no sign announcing hazardous aircraft in the area...there should be no hazardous aircraft in the area.Period""

http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=458563

sOooo now you are saying something diff, or could you say the same about flying at a school with 40, 50 kids watching, or have you changed your mind, or feel the same, or do you not know, or is it that we are both right and both wrong, or is it something else
Jim
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05-13-2013 07:32 AM  6 years ago
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I was warned by a very good friend to let it go and watch. Here's my 2 cents!

I can't believe the attitudes and disrespect of suggestions that will keep everyone safer.

Yes I'm an old timer, old fart or what ever. It dosen't matter how old we are! Lets all learn from this discussion.

I worked in the RC helicopter for a manufacturer for many years. I have test flown new models, parts, rotorblades, servos, gyros, radios and fuel. During this time I have dodged rotorblades, rotorheads, tail blades, out of control heli's and various other flyin parts! I seen rotorblades pulled apart in the science lab at the University of Illinois. The forces will scare the hell out of you and that was with wood blades that will break!! I can't imagine the force numbers generated with carbon blades and higher head speeds. So that is why us old timers are concerned with all aspects of safety for everyone young or old!

Everyone knows the risk of this hobby yes it's dangerous. We accept that risk when we turn that switch on or set foot on any flying field. But here's the difference we know to watch, listen and react to a situation, the general public/kids don't. They think these are TOYS! So talking about IRCHA and fun flys are in different catagories than the school setting.

Before anyone jumps on me let me say! The safety issue pointed out was with "a helicopter and small kids"! This had nothing to do with Ryan flying skills or his ability to fly the hell out of that copter at his age!

Guys all we are saying is use a little common sense! Watch for others, look around you see who's there and fly a little further out! You can do your flip flop, tick tock, dog walk, vortex tornados and 100MPH low inverted backwards passes with out trimming your nose hairs every pass!

It's time for AMA our main governing body to set down with IRCHA and establish safety guidelines to build on to keep everyone safe and keep LAWERS away!

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05-13-2013 07:35 AM  6 years ago
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thank you FdykesJim
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05-13-2013 10:29 AM  6 years ago
McKrackin

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Yes I said that and it has no bearing on this case.

Everyone there was there to see the heli.

In parks,they are ambushed by helis.

You people are too dense to understand context...obviously.

Not all cases are the same and this one is different.

Reading comprehension people...Learn it.
I literally never use the word literally right.
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05-13-2013 11:40 AM  6 years ago
Magnumeng

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I have read most of what has been posted for this topic. Everyone has valid points regarding safe distances and possibility of pilot error or mechanical failure.

The video in question in my opinion, the pilot did an outstanding DEMO. Could the location been better picked? Sure. Could the camera guy not asked the pilot to go lower/closer? Sure.

At no time did the pilot look like it was going outside of his comfort zone. In the end the DEMO was a success and everyone has a good time. It was a POSITIVE demistration of the RC HELI world for the people that were luckily enough to present to watch.

I give the pilot two thumbs and a IRCHA golfcart horn blast.
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