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05-12-2013 04:36 AM  6 years ago
McKrackin

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No argument here.
That's the insane part.

You guys preach and preach and all that was said is...We heard you...Enough....Move along.

You guys are like...NO I HAVE TO SAY IT A BUNCH MORE TIMES SO IT WILL BE TRUE......lmao....

Maybe a better place could have been chosen...It wasn't....Maybe next time....Maybe not.

The video didn't look dangerous to me and no amount of preaching will change that.
I don't want to change your minds...I don't care what you think.

All I said is ENOUGH...Stop trouncing the thread with your monotonous banter.
I literally never use the word literally right.
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05-12-2013 04:41 AM  6 years ago
dkshema

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I don't think that was an AMA approved flying field, so for that mater IF he did crash and did hurt someone he would not have had 3 Mill in insurance backing him
Got to try this again, my laptop posted before I was through...

There are no "AMA approved" flying fields. There are flying sites operated by AMA chartered clubs, but the field is NOT approved by the AMA.

Were you to actually understand how the AMA insurance operates, you would also understand that you are NOT required to operate from an "approved" site to be covered. The ONLY requirement to remain covered for your actions under the policy is that you abide by the published AMA Safety Code. As long as you observe the AMA Safety Code, you are covered, NO MATTER WHERE YOU FLY. Period. It's been that way for many, many years.

To be sure, the insurance is secondary, meaning if you have a liability policy of your own that will cover the activity, THAT policy will be expected to pay. If that insurer denies the claim, AMA's insurance becomes the primary insurance.

Note that this young man, even though he is under the age of 18, is covered by the AMA's insurance, as long as he is an AMA member. And since this demonstration clearly met the published safety code, the demonstration was covered.
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05-12-2013 04:41 AM  6 years ago
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McKrackin,, to add,

I can see in the link that more than a few AMA rules were broken in that vid

http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/105.pdf
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05-12-2013 04:45 AM  6 years ago
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I don't care what you think
do you care what the AMA thinks ???

just wondering
Jim
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05-12-2013 04:45 AM  6 years ago
McKrackin

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"Blah blah blah blah...I'm right I'm right I'm right...."

OK...You guys are right....Enough.
I literally never use the word literally right.
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05-12-2013 04:46 AM  6 years ago
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do you care what the AMA thinks ???
No
I literally never use the word literally right.
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05-12-2013 04:49 AM  6 years ago
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No
but you will be happy to use their insurance if you hurt some one with your heli
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05-12-2013 04:49 AM  6 years ago
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Last time I checked we had psycho paths running into our schools with Guns... I think Rc Helicopters at a talent show are the last thing to start ranting and raving about.Did you mean to do that? Yeah its called a crash landing its a new trick
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05-12-2013 04:58 AM  6 years ago
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but you will be happy to use their insurance if you hurt some one with your heli
And again...No
I literally never use the word literally right.
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05-12-2013 04:59 AM  6 years ago
dkshema

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Reading through the Safety Code, NONE of the items were violated, the demonstration met the General Requirements, and it met those for RC aircraft.

Simply publishing a link to the Safety Code does not mean anything was done incorrectly. There is NOTHING in the video that can even be remotely construed as in violation.
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05-12-2013 05:02 AM  6 years ago
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[quote]I think Rc Helicopters at a talent show are the last thing to start ranting and raving about
well then, (like guns) wait till the the Feds put their big green nose in the hobby
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05-12-2013 05:12 AM  6 years ago
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dkshema

At a location where model aircraft activities are prohibited.

Ensure the aircraft is identified with the name and address or AMA number of the owner on the inside or affixed to the outside of the model aircraft.

At air shows or demonstrations, a straight safety line must be established.

and there is a question if the children were within 25ft from where the heli landed
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05-12-2013 05:23 AM  6 years ago
NLDIRENZO

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I would hope the feds would have better things to do with their time then regulate this hobby. I enjoy spending some time flying my birds. but some of these comments are retarded and some people have way to much time on their hands. If people put this much effort into real problems we might get something done. On that note I'm done hereDid you mean to do that? Yeah its called a crash landing its a new trick
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05-12-2013 05:26 AM  6 years ago
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At a location where model aircraft activities are prohibited.
It would seem that the school approved the flight, and it was allowed.
Ensure the aircraft is identified with the name and address or AMA number of the owner on the inside or affixed to the outside of the model aircraft.
You were able to determine that this information was not affixed somewhere on the airframe? All of my helis are identified as such, but it isn't visible from the outside, as all information is on the inside of the canopy.
At air shows or demonstrations, a straight safety line must be established.
AT all times, the helicopter remained in front of the pilot, most of the flight actually occurred way out in front of the pilot. If the flight line were established by his position on the tarmac, it was still maintained, and at no time did he fly behind, or even close to that line.
and there is a question if the children were within 25ft from where the heli landed
The pilot himself was way beyond 25 feet from the spectators, and the heli was landed well in front of the pilot.

Try as you might, this demo met all the requirements and was well done. This young man did an outstanding job of flying, of representing the hobby, and in maintaining a safe operating environment.
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05-12-2013 05:28 AM  6 years ago
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and there is a question if the children were within 25ft from where the heli landed
No there isn't.

A parking spot is roughly 16 feet and the lane was roughly 30 feet.
Then there is the 15 foot no parking zone by the walk.

Two parking spots and a lane of traffic puts the heli at least 60-70 feet away where it landed and by the looks of it,they were even father away than that.

There was a flight line and it was guarded.

Are you saying that there was no ID in the canopy?
I literally never use the word literally right.
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05-12-2013 05:30 AM  6 years ago
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retarded
restarted, yeeaa that's what i am ,, not at all, it just may be that I have seen too many families damaged from the death of a child
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05-12-2013 05:44 AM  6 years ago
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It would seem that the school approved the flight, and it was allowed
wrong, it was only approved for one flight, it was NOT approved as a flying field, and for that matter who approved it ?? some one that does not understand the dangers of helis ??

sorry dkshema, I'm very surprised buy your comments
Jim
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05-12-2013 05:47 AM  6 years ago
McKrackin

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wrong, it was only approved for one flight, it was NOT approved as a flying field
The AMA does not approve fields.
They set guidelines...they were met.

It was allowed for one flight...Luckily,that's all there was.
I literally never use the word literally right.
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05-12-2013 05:53 AM  6 years ago
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Luckily,that's all there was.
luckily < the key word there
Jim
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05-12-2013 05:58 AM  6 years ago
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These from you Mckrackin?
Sure there are risks but when that heli flies apart and loses control...50 feet could be the difference in life or death.

HEY LOOK OUT!!! And then a few seconds to gather your wits and for the flyer to try and ground the heli.

When the heli flies apart five feet from a crowd....well,then it just hits them and the only screams or cries you'll hear are reactions of the injured people.

I don't know how to fix it....Move the flight line out a little?...Move the bystanders back a little?

It wouldn't take much to make it way safer.
You mean like a fence or net, or wall.
By the way...Who was the pro at the HF fun fly that autographed the blade that flew into the crowd and cut a spectator?

That was cool of him.
I don't know how to fix it....Move the flight line out a little?...Move the bystanders back a little?
We made some suggestions for you, Do you find the ideas to hard to impliment?
That's very true but when you run the heli out about 500 yards away and then bring it back directly at yourself and the pits and people behind you with the throttle pegged and the nose down to get that awesome FART when you do a wall stop 10 feet from the flight line...That's a little more risk than hovering 100 feet out and 50 feet up.

If something breaks at that godawful perfect moment...that heli is aimed at the crowd at 85-120 mph....Is it too much to ask that the crowd get a 50 foot warning from the time the flyer knows he lost it?
Maybe 50 feet that the heli has to hit the ground before a group of lawn chairs?
Its all earth!
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