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05-11-2013 03:08 AM  6 years ago
GREYEAGLE

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Hard to Understand : But only for a Few -- Their is a Message !!!! : Who's missing ?

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05-11-2013 03:17 AM  6 years ago
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I think that the good people of all faiths are welcome in heaven. I still don't think that it will be very crowded though.
Here's the correction babyuh1 not everyone
That say lord lord will enter in my kingdom.
Bible didn't say $#it about ALAH ALAH no body knew who the
Heck that, s. Could be the guy who giving away
Imaginary concubine in imaginary heaven when his
Followers explode like clown ants to kill a
Another ants colony.
I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,
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05-11-2013 03:00 PM  6 years ago
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Bullsh#t
What you don't think that no longer believing in fairy tails won't give you the intellectual high ground? As it stands Christians and Muslims believe in very similar stories neither can be proven both require you to believe very old writings neither have any evidence and science has already discredited all of the creation aspects of both books with cold hard facts that can be proven. People who believe either the Bible or the Quran are simply delusional.
Our fight with radical Islam has nothing to do with faith and everything to do with self defense from evil.
Sometime soon there will be an uprising of radical Christians who will use the writings of the Bible to justify the killing of Muslims and then who know maybe have another go at the Jews and Then Probably Atheists and the scientific community who are pretty much Atheists. Religion can not peacefully allow other religions or people who question it. Like I said for religion to work everybody has to believe the same thing.
Your history about hitler is somewhat correct but Christianity was not at fault there it was hitler.
Yes Hitler was the cause he was at fault. But don't kid yourself about the involvement of Christianity Hitler used the bible to convince his people that this was GOD's work. If his people were not Christians they would not have been so easy to convince. When it is possible to interpret the book or parts of the book in more than one way that's when it's possible to convince others your right.
By the way what is a meaningfull thing to fight over? Just your thing or can I have one too even thought you don't like mine?
What is a meaningful thing to fight over. Well how about things that are real things that can't be questioned. How about fighting the sex slave trade or the drug trade. Let's pick one of yours and not a small one Abortion you can fight that so long as your protest to abortion is really yours and not what you were told to think. But don't stand there and say my Sky God is right and what he said in this really old book that he didn't write by his own hand even though he could of but instead got goat farmers sometime in the bronze age to write is correct I know they thought the world was flat but everything else is right. Don't worry the Muslims have it worse they think that Mohammad flew to heaven on a winged horse where God gave him the Quran.

It's not weather or not I like your thing it's weather or not you can prove it. If you can prove it's real I will listen I will admit I was wrong. You forget Thomas at one point in time I wanted with all my heart to believe in what you do but there is just no evidence.
They have been set by a creator
Please provide evidence. No the Bible is not evidence and the Muslims would say that the Quran is evidence also and it's not.

I would also like to address this again
See, that's where you are wrong....you see there is this thing that was given to all that is called free will, god will not intervene in anyones poor choices,
My point was that if God were to poke his head through the clouds and say hey stop fighting I'm here this side has the right book. That would not effect free will it would prove God was real I could at that point chose to reject him. At the moment I can't make a choice because I do not have any evidence of God.

Honestly religious people all need to be locked up in mental hospitals until they can be rehabilitated into rational people. The problem started when you were young you were not given free will by your parents and they programed you with their beliefs you were not given a choice. You were then told throughout your life that science had it wrong that things such as evolution were garbage nobody let you decide for yourself. Teaching kids religion is child abuse.

BTW did any of you watch the video if not then please find the time to it's worth it even if you don't agree.
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05-11-2013 03:31 PM  6 years ago
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Honestly religious people all need to be locked up in mental hospitals until they can be rehabilitated into rational people. The problem started when you were young you were not given free will by your parents and they programed you with their beliefs you were not given a choice. You were then told throughout your life that science had it wrong that things such as evolution were garbage nobody let you decide for yourself. Teaching kids religion is child abuse.
And there we have it.

Another atheist preaching his religion of anti religion against those of religion.

Nice going slick.
Sometime soon there will be an uprising of radical Christians who will use the writings of the Bible to justify the killing of Muslims and then who know maybe have another go at the Jews and Then Probably Atheists and the scientific community who are pretty much Atheists. Religion can not peacefully allow other religions or people who question it. Like I said for religion to work everybody has to believe the same thing.
Is that a prophecy of one that is anti religious?
It's not weather or not I like your thing it's weather or not you can prove it. If you can prove it's real I will listen I will admit I was wrong. You forget Thomas at one point in time I wanted with all my heart to believe in what you do but there is just no evidence.
No you won't listen. You have already proven that with the lie that science has disproven the existence of God. Science has not, cannot, and will never be able to disprove the existence of a creator. It never has and never will because a faith in God has nothing to do with science and everything to do with "Faith".

Science is not faith based. Faith is not science based.

You preach against free will given to those of faith. If God did not give man free will to choose him or not, then you would not be able to choose against God.
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05-11-2013 07:13 PM  6 years ago
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hoggy42 be careful there man
Satan will write you a citation for that quote
Yes" that'll be a oneway ticket to hell.
People who believe either the Bible or the Quran are simply delusional.
Screw the kuran you and ALAH can share that
Both of you have a lot in common.

1st queation do you ever wonder?

2Nd question dont the world is round ?

3rd queation why the water is where it is on
A round world and not coming on the land?

4th question why there is a pair of everyrhing
From human to insect ? So small they thinner
Than the air?

5th queation why the universe is so complex
That earth is the only place human can live?

6th question where life and pain come from?

Why human freez on ice and animal dont?

7th question why the world is so mathematical
Perfect nothing can be added or taken away
It resource else human die?

As an atheist answer those questions simple
And tell me there's no almighty GOD

And if you answer any of those question I D like
To know if you have sex? If yes" what you lease like
About it? I know you cant seriously give a right
Or wrong answer to these question and your azz
Dont why.

This mean someone has a mind and brain that is far more
Greater than ours is incharge
I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,
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05-11-2013 11:08 PM  6 years ago
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05-12-2013 02:11 AM  6 years ago
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Sometime soon there will be an uprising of radical Christians who will use the writings of the Bible to justify the killing of Muslims and then who know maybe have another go at the Jews and Then Probably Atheists and the scientific community who are pretty much Atheists. Religion can not peacefully allow other religions or people who question it. Like I said for religion to work everybody has to believe the same thing.
That will never happen. The uprising there will be but it won't be the Christians because we won't be here.
Yes Hitler was the cause he was at fault. But don't kid yourself about the involvement of Christianity Hitler used the bible to convince his people that this was GOD's work. If his people were not Christians they would not have been so easy to convince. When it is possible to interpret the book or parts of the book in more than one way that's when it's possible to convince others your right.
You got it correct yet you still blame Christianity? Blissful ignorance at it's best there hoggy. It is our free will that is being dominated just as Jim jones did ,just as happened at waco Texas , just as our president has done to the 42% it is all the personal decisions of a manipulated group of people that allow this to happen. We all can be drawn to the honey if the scent is good.
What is a meaningful thing to fight over. Well how about things that are real things that can't be questioned. How about fighting the sex slave trade or the drug trade. Let's pick one of yours and not a small one Abortion you can fight that so long as your protest to abortion is really yours and not what you were told to think. But don't stand there and say my Sky God is right and what he said in this really old book that he didn't write by his own hand even though he could of but instead got goat farmers sometime in the bronze age to write is correct I know they thought the world was flat but everything else is right. Don't worry the Muslims have it worse they think that Mohammad flew to heaven on a winged horse where God gave him the Quran.
It's not weather or not I like your thing it's weather or not you can prove it. If you can prove it's real I will listen I will admit I was wrong. You forget Thomas at one point in time I wanted with all my heart to believe in what you do but there is just no evidence.
Is all good only if you agree, just as I thought . Who died and made you king?
At the moment I can't make a choice because I do not have any evidence of God.
The evidence is all around you yet you ignore it. Do you honestly think all that surrounds you,is part of your physical presence here and now just happened. As big of a pia as esco is his questions on this matter bear attention.
You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.
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05-12-2013 11:32 AM  6 years ago
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hoggy42
Do me a favor take a good look at the bible
Which is the oldest (prophetic) book book ever wtitten, do you think any genius
On earths could write a book that complex ?

I hear you talk about the bible is foolproof
And made up story by us human. You're dead wrong.

The Bible was only written once
In greeks by noble man call prophet, that was before your greatest grand papa born, and then translated Into HEBREW, and then to the KING JAMES and then printed to the new world order such as the holy bible and all other- hoggy the reason why our earth is
Still in one piece it is because of this books. Everything written in must come to pass before
The almighty reveal him self in the end.

Hoggy the world is running in accordance with the
Books the prophecy and the timing is right
Because of who you choose to be you will never come to Know the almighty or understand the contrary
Of the books itself

Dont talk about the muslim kuran for if we
Was living by that book none of us wouldn't be
Here we will be doing what they ave been doing
You know how that go.

Again atheists/muslim hate the man seated
In mount zion.
I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,
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05-13-2013 03:11 AM  6 years ago
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Between Syria and Benghazi the whole Middle East is really starting to ignite : BIG and the real deal --

Then toss in the " Our " own internal snag's and monkey business - That's layers deep of treasonous activity of intent. All three branches - Into IRS , even some really spook stuff, besides banking and cyber - gun legislation ect.

DOW busted thru the 15000 mark - Thought it was impossible !!! Even though we think its a good deal - 401's ect - IT's DEBT - Being done with intention. Still Debt. Loading it up with NO back stop -- draining the swimming pool on purpose - -- To Borrow MORE !!

Their is now indication's that the { State Dept } has had a effect on certain law's within OUR boarder's -the biggest is the play's on Immigration into the country ??? That one we can smell -trying to get the train back on the track after BOSTON.

He's been slamming Executive Orders !!! or having the various debt's over write many OLD LAWs -Non executive order type stuff -- New amendments -to supersede the old law' - or shift their intent or purpose take the bite out of the bark.

Now the Tool of using TAX to control the VOTE !!!

Compound it with the ASian or Chinese directorates and you have one heck of a crucible firing up -With No LEadership. WE ARE NOT DRIVING

Turkey and Jordan are housing easily over One million Refugee's from Syria. Maybe 1.7 m Guess who's the contributor of foreign aid ???

Skirmishes are blowing into middle Turkey - with heavy weapons big one's. Numerous bombing - Pakistan - and some one lost a Embassy who- ?? they are not saying.

Syria -Is claiming they can enter the Golan Heights against Israel and is going too.

Iran is Calling to Unite the Brother hood against Israel about the destruction of their inventory of stock's in Syria.

Better examine the whole Tapestry - They are covering - It's starting to get up to speed -they can't cover it any longer just compounding the effect.

Made a MESS - Not my home work - Better start looking for the fact's on your own
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05-13-2013 02:51 PM  6 years ago
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Another atheist preaching his religion of anti religion against those of religion.
Nice going slick.
Suggesting an Atheist or Atheism is a religion is like saying that bald is a hair colour.
Nice going Goober
No you won't listen. You have already proven that with the lie that science has disproven the existence of God. Science has not, cannot, and will never be able to disprove the existence of a creator.
Yeah is what I said was
science has already discredited all of the creation aspects of both books with cold hard facts that can be proven.
What I said there was true. However I do have proof that God does not exist. It is perfect and irrefutable. I'm not going to show it to you however. You cannot see it or detect it in any way. You cannot deduct it from the laws of logic either. You might claim that I do in fact have no such proof. But you have no proof that I don't. Sounds familiar?
Science is not faith based. Faith is not science based.
At least your not one of these clowns that tries to claim the your beliefs fit in with science. For the record science is fact based.
You preach against free will given to those of faith. If God did not give man free will to choose him or not, then you would not be able to choose against God.
If you were indoctrinated as a child you never had the free will to chose it was taken from you. I can't chose God because there is no proof god exists.
Satan will write you a citation for that quote
Yes" that'll be a oneway ticket to hell.
You do realise I'm not afraid of things that are not real don't you Esco?

Back to you soon esco
That will never happen. The uprising there will be but it won't be the Christians because we won't be here.
So you'll all either be dead or have a reality wake up nice.
You got it correct yet you still blame Christianity? Blissful ignorance at it's best there hoggy.
So even though Hitler used Christianity and in fact needed it to convince the people what he was doing was right. You think Christianity shares no responsibility now that's Blissful ignorance.
Is all good only if you agree, just as I thought . Who died and made you king?
You asked me what I thought were meaningful things to fight for I told you a couple of things I never said that only what I think is right. Is what I was getting at was fighting for things that are real that you and I can both prove are meaningful. Sadly Thomas what you believe in and have invested so much of your time and life to simply can't be proven. So before you suggest that I want to be king go check yourself first.
As big of a pia as esco is his questions on this matter bear attention.
Oh they do let's do that then.
1st queation do you ever wonder?
Of course I do Esco but when I seek answers I look at or for real evidence. Your question is not totally clear but I think that's what your asking.
2Nd question dont the world is round ?
Yes the world is round or a sphere in the bible it's described as a flat disc consisting of a single continent floating on a circular sea. It would seem Esco that if the creator wrote this he would have been a little more clear in his writings. However is what we see here is consistent with people of the time.
3rd queation why the water is where it is on
A round world and not coming on the land?
There are ideas as to how water came to be on Earth however as these events may have taken place billions of years ago before people there are no records it's a question that cannot yet and may never be answered. As to the water not coming on land are you talking about gravity or the land mass?
4th question why there is a pair of everyrhing
From human to insect ? So small they thinner
Than the air?
Please look up "Parthenogenesis" a mating pair is not necessary for all species Esco. Thinner than air some Single cell organisms use asexual reproduction. I'm not here to do your homework Esco.

I'll come back to 5
6th question where life and pain come from?
Pain is most certainly a result of evolution for a species to survive pain would be required to make sure it didn't hurt or kill it's self. As for the life it's self on earth? I can't answer that question. It maybe that this question is one day answered by science which will be devastating for theists. I know you think you have the answer to this but unfortunately you can't prove it.
Why human freez on ice and animal dont?
This one didn't have a number but maybe you should read the origin of species. And again stop asking me to do your High School Homework.
5th queation why the universe is so complex
That earth is the only place human can live?
And
7th question why the world is so mathematical
Perfect nothing can be added or taken away
It resource else human die?
And from Thomas
The evidence is all around you yet you ignore it. Do you honestly think all that surrounds you,is part of your physical presence here and now just happened.
You two probably by now realise I've seen all of these augments before? Correct me if I'm wrong here but I think is what you are both trying to say is that the universe our world and life is so complex and amazing the way everything works. That it is so complex that it demands an explanation a creator? well the problem with that is this for something to create life and universe and everything well the creator would have to be even more complex than that and therefor demands an explanation. So the creator would need a creator and so on. You say you think that all this "Just happened" well that's a gross over simplification it happened over 4.5billion years or so very slowly. In response I can say so you think God was "just there" to which you have only the response that God is eternal. Nice one.
And if you answer any of those question I D like
To know if you have sex? If yes" what you lease like
About it?
Yes I do and hey you asked the mess and sleeping in the wet patch

Now I have been nice enough to answer your questions would you like to answer mine.

Where do dinosaurs fit in the timeline by that I mean to say when do you think they lived when they died out why they died out?

Why in the bible light came before the sun how?

Why if Adam and Eve were the first humans why are there different races and colours of people?

If in the beginning there was only God and he created everything, why would he create angels that had the propensity to defy him?

Why would a all knowing God bother with this creation he knows your past present and future so he knows everything that is going to happen so the creation is pointless he knows already?
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05-13-2013 03:16 PM  6 years ago
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Don't DO IT ! Fall into the Swine 42 trap : Breaking the Honor - Code :discipline
The word was given and we Honor it - We hold to it - Yet the tool of a dishonest manipulator or one whom bait's with LIE's believes he can apply it as a wedge or a tool. Our HONOR CODE Not to Even Bring it UP PRoof the Honor of the COVENANT - it hold's !

Welcome to the Cultural Split Mr. Shifty Tossing Bait

Bottom Line -BUSTED as one whom operates in the dark.

None of any Integrtiy : We said we would -not- we have not

Yet look for the application of the wedge

Better is the read : of watching a Idiot or one whom has been absent in spirit - or honesty or truth or light trying to inform the educated with a convincing argument from the dark

Worth the Entertainment Dark has NEver removed the Light
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05-13-2013 04:03 PM  6 years ago
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Man I had a tiny particle of dust on my desk, and all a sudden it spontaneously exploded into a RTF Trex 700 with all the trimmings. If you believe that then your right about evolution. If not then your wrong. Your "belief in the science" of evolution holds no water at all. Zero Proof of any of it. Nothing but some babbling about stuff no one can prove, No one. Just because you have a few nut jobs that spew the same nonsense does not mean it's a fact. Just some cool ideas they want everyone else to subscribe to. That's it. New Fad, that will soon pass.
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05-13-2013 04:34 PM  6 years ago
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Hey Mark,
Is Hoggy42 up there in line with site posting policy wrt religious posts- is denegrating religious beliefs okay, but defending them not okay? I'm asking before I post responses. Thanks for your time.
Never, ever, ever, ever give up.
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05-13-2013 05:22 PM  6 years ago
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If in the beginning there was only God and he created everything, why would he create angels that had the propensity to defy him?
Why would a all knowing God bother with this creation he knows your past present and future so he knows everything that is going to happen so the creation is pointless he knows already?
Sorry hoggy you have to do,yor own homework . I would suggest you study the atributes of the creator mentioned in the book. No explainaton from me will satisfy you. Study hard for the proof you seek.
You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.
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05-13-2013 06:05 PM  6 years ago
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hmm
I vote for no more religious threads...

They get to drawn out, sarcasm with smiley faces?, put downs, name calling, and then the guys who think they know a lot post stuff and say things there should have been put in print on both sides of the fence.

The only thing from dealing with my own brother who also shares in the doctrine of 'theism' is that both Christians, and 'theist' really need to look at the book itself and really do their homework as Thomas hit on. Too high of a % of the population thinks they know a lot, when they know very little and or totally misunderstand meaning, or context.

My brother and I get along great. His mindset is programming, and logic based. His questions where great for me to be challenged, and even learn from. There is a series called 'why I believe' by Chip Ingrim that does a lot of research on his items before hand I would encourage those who have some deep questions on Christ to look into this mp3.

Agreeably members that believe they are a Christian should start acting like it. Knock off the smiley faces and talk with him not down at him.

-Cody
If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion.
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05-13-2013 06:11 PM  6 years ago
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Need's a Home Work Assignement : To Complete : Keep Him Pondering awhile =

Figure how the names of the animal's got assigned - ALL THE WAY BACK No cheating Either

Each One : I Fugger Hoggy has like about 54000 Give or take a few

Each language translation

Then when that is done - we start on BUGG's
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05-13-2013 07:42 PM  6 years ago
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Regarding the quote below...it either shows a serious failing in our educational system or case of early childhood religious indoctrination that is often inescapable once adulthood is reached and critical thinking skills have been relegated to the dustbin.


'Man I had a tiny particle of dust on my desk, and all a sudden it spontaneously exploded into a RTF Trex 700 with all the trimmings. If you believe that then your right about evolution. If not then your wrong. Your "belief in the science" of evolution holds no water at all.'

I know many of you won't do it because it challenges your world view, but please just pick up a book on evolution so you might have a chance of understanding it. A good place to start would be 'Climbing Mount Improbable' by Richard Dawkins. Please don't just spout ignorant nonsense because it doesn't help your case. Evolution is supported by thousands of FACTS from MANY branches of science, including biology, physics, chemistry, archeology. Roughly 45% of Americans do not 'believe' in evolution and that is a national disgrace and makes us a laughing stock to the majority of the civilizied/educated world. Saying 'god did it' is just being intellectually lazy. Time to realize we aren't at the center of the solar system, and we aren't at the center of the universe. It's time for civilized societies to grow up and realize that humans aren't the center of everything, although some would still like to think they are.

Ask yourself why you don't believe in the thousands of other gods people believe in or have believed in over the millennia and you might start to understand why others don't believe in yours.
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05-13-2013 08:00 PM  6 years ago
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Ask yourself why you don't believe in the thousands of other gods people believe in or have believed in over the millennia and you might start to understand why others don't believe in yours.
You (and others) have a right not to. And others have a right to believe in any God they choose.

Please do your own research and read the 1st amendment to the constitution. That overrides Richard Dawkins.

Idiot.
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05-13-2013 09:37 PM  6 years ago
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Dennis
You (and others) have a right not to. And others have a right to believe in any God they choose.

Please do your own research and read the 1st amendment to the constitution. That overrides Richard Dawkins.
Idiot
Bingo!!!
90% of life is "showing up"
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05-13-2013 10:40 PM  6 years ago
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Well done Dennis, when you have no logical argument resort to name calling. Just pathetic...I would expect better from someone claiming to be a loving christian...why all the hate?

My point regarding evolution is before you can say it isn't true you should at the very least understand the concept, which the poster obviously doesn't.

I never said anyone should be forced to read the book or believe in anything so I'm not sure what this has to do with the constitution. I would think rational thinking adults would want to educate themselves on a topic such as evolution before saying its all false.

You can believe in what ever magical beings you want to, unicorns, elves, easter bunny...you are free to pick any magical creature you want to believe in. I never said anyone couldn't believe so unbunch your panties before they hurt you. When your beliefs or anyone else's starts to affect how others choose to live their lives then that crosses the line.

Why don't do you believe in Hinduism or Islam? How do you know you picked the right one?
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