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05-09-2013 03:39 AM  6 years ago
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3kidzheli

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New RC Club, free membership!
We have a great group of guys that fly all sorts of rc so we got together and formed a club on city public property. In June the city will be spreading pavement 18'x 220'. Flight stations will be put in place, thing is all that will be required is AMA. We have around 15 members for starters and its only been official for 2 weeks. No monthly nor yearly dues, all $ under donation only. We are having an "air show" in November. Pretty excited about it, hoping to gain the interest of new old or young folks into the (heli world! So if you are close to Columbia Mississippi in November we would love to have yall come out. Horizon is sponsoring some of the prizes as well as the LHS. When the time is closer and we have more details I will post this on rr events. Just wanted to share this with fellow heli guys, thanks.
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05-09-2013 03:45 AM  6 years ago
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Sign me up! I wanna be a member. I might be over 400 miles away, but if it's free it's for me!

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05-09-2013 03:48 AM  6 years ago
3kidzheli

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You're in! That simple! we actually have more than this but we feel like when the strip is put down other guys from diff areas will come out and fly with us. It's sorta like a unification of rc guys and that's why no membership. We love the hobby and have a passion for it and want to spread that around!There is no such thing as up, it's all out...
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05-09-2013 03:50 AM  6 years ago
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Sounds like time for a road trip and support some brother pilots on their first show!!

Look forward to seeing you all in November!
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05-09-2013 03:53 AM  6 years ago
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you guys still should get an AMA charter for the club. In the city's eyes, there will be a huge difference between a bona fide organization and a 'group of guys who fly toy airplanes in the park'.  ▲
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05-09-2013 04:11 AM  6 years ago
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No fee club and public ground... Sounds like potential problems to me. If it is public ground, how are you going to limit and put into effect any rules? People who have no financial commitment may not care and you may get some bad apples. Can't get rid of them because it is public ground. Your group may want to start an official AMA charter with a hiarchy, bylaws, insurance, and a membership fee. Then, I would approach the city and obtain permission to use the public ground on a set schedule at which times the ground would't necessarily be open to the public.

I can't believe the city is going to pour concrete for you and set up flight stations especially with the dimensions you noted. City projects are usually funded by taxpayer dollars. Whenever you reach a certain $ threshold, now the project needs publically bid and constructed. Based on the dim's you mentioned, I would say you are over this amount. If the city is funding this, it is taxpayer dollars and yet again, then everybody has a right to use it even if they don't know what the heck they are doing or care for that matter. Some people might see the slab of concrete and decide to drag race on it while you try to fly. Wish you the best of luck though.
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05-09-2013 04:41 AM  6 years ago
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First of all, WOW. You need to stay on the good side of the city, as this really sounds like a real blessing. Many clubs, including ours, have to scrap and fight for every little concession from the city to allow a flying site on their property. AMA charter, insurance certificate with the City properly named will make you and yours much more secure.

If you are able to also demonstrate your club's ability to maintain the property a bit, fix it up, keep it neat and clean without additional burden on the city, that's even better. Some form of club dues can go a long way towards that good will, and can make members more willing to work on, fight for, the site.

Being a club with dues and AMA requirements does NOT need to have a negative connotation. Properly executed, you can be a good force in your community.

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it is taxpayer dollars and yet again, then everybody has a right to use it even if they don't know what the heck they are doing or care for that matter.
Not necessarily true. I can't simply go to a City owned golf course and do as I please for free. Even if I go ahead and pay the greens fee, I still can't do anything I please.

Many years ago when I lived in the Kansas City, MO, area, almost all of the local clubs in the area operated out of County owned parks. They still do. Lake Jacomo/Fleming Lake, Longview Lake, Minor Park come to mind. All are County owned, all are County operated, and therefore, all use "public money".

However, the Parks people also had Park rangers, who pretty much kept the peace and made sure ALL park users behaved.

To fly at those sites, one needed to be an AMA member, but enforcement really became a problem -- local club members would get told to shove off if they tried to chase off an non-AMA or uninsured flyer. Park rangers weren't too inclined to toss the offender, because he didn't really have a reason to do so. The clubs saw they were at risk, and the Parks people didn't really understand the liability issue. It didn't make for fun flying at times.

However, the clubs in the area met with the County Parks people and explored ways of solving the problem in a way beneficial to both parties. Out of that series of meetings, a plan emerged such that to USE the flying sites, one was required to purchase a PERMIT from the County. You can buy a yearly permit, or one for a few days. But you have to purchase it. And have it on you when you use the site. If the Park ranger comes by and you don't have a permit, well, then, he as "Johnny Law" can boot you. The permits are not awfully expensive, and over the years, the clubs and the Parks people have a workable solution. To get a permit, one must demonstrate financial responsibility. An AMA card is accepted as proof of that. Permits are available at the Park ranger station. Money from the permits goes toward defraying the cost of maintaining the sites, and the parks in general.

In recent years, I believe the program has worked so well, that when a club hosts a large fun fly or other event, the County now allows the host club to collect money for the permits, and to issue them for the event, and the money is, in turn, handed over to the Park rangers.

It is amazing what a club can do when it works WITH the local land owners to solve their problems.

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The "big" local club here has an arrangement with the City of Cedar Rapids to lease 5 - 7 acres of land that was once upon a time, deeded to the city for "recreational purposes" by the landowner before he passed on. Some of that property (a large farmstead) is now operated by the local Soccer community, and you need to belong to their association to use the site. The rest of the land was rented out by the City to farmers to grow corn and soybeans, for a nominal fee of somewhere around $150 an acre. The lease runs for three years at a time, and must be renegotiated every three years. We got a small chunk of the farmland for our site, can overfly the remaining corn/beans, and yet, in order to fly at on this PUBLIC LAND, you HAVE to join not only the AMA, but you MUST JOIN the local club who has the site leased to them. NO ifs, ands, or buts. Other than the fact the club is mostly plankers who build scale WWII Warbirds, and who frown upon most anything electric, and look askance at the few heli flyers, it works well.

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Moral is, Public Land does not mean free for all for anyone who happens by. IT does mean you can work with the Government agency in control of the land to limit access in a controllable manner.
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05-09-2013 10:12 AM  6 years ago
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Well done guys, keep up the good work!Bill Whittaker
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05-09-2013 12:23 PM  6 years ago
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Let me add some notes I failed to mention. We will be chartered. We have pres, vice pres, 3 safety officers, etc. We have full support from the city and a supervisor on the board that is pushing this. We have the head investigator of the city police as a the pres of the club an he flies. Also there is another member that is in law enforcement, so we have a lot of legal authority that is making all this happen through the city. We chose to not have a club dues since we are trying to push radio control and the other clubs in the neighbor area are too high. It doesn't take club dues to form, maintain, and run a club nor enforce bi laws or rules. If someone act stupid then I think ole copper will have them removed. The city is liking this cause the police are continuously there buffering safety. We are not at a city park either. It is a piece of public property near a river, Columbia Water Park. The pavement is being donated through grants. It's not costing us a dime. Hard to believe? We are Columbiarc flyers on fb and http://www.columbiarcflyers.com a Christian bunch and through prayer mountains can be moved. Too much detail to remember here. I also ask for suggestions cause we are still forming all the details, I'm the head safety officer any suggestions is very appreciated. Thanks. Also the city is making ordinances for use on the property for the benefit of the club. It's gonna be nice!There is no such thing as up, it's all out...
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05-09-2013 12:33 PM  6 years ago
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The grounds are kept up by the city workers, we volunteered to help they ARE requiring any one who flies must have AMA and this is one of the ordinances. The grounds will be allocated to the club on certain days. BTW I'm talking about an area the size of more than 5 football fields or larger. Google maps would show what I mean. Marion county Columbia water park in Mississippi. My good friend Bill Meadors is going to push some pr for us. We have the help of a LHS. Why PAY CLUB DUES just to be in a club? It's not necessary. Plenty of volunteer help we don't mind pulling out our wallets. We want to get the younger generation involved in this hobby, especially since the gov is trying to regulate it. We want to pull the local clubs together and make this hobby grow.There is no such thing as up, it's all out...
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05-09-2013 12:58 PM  6 years ago
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If you're going to ever hold fun flies or events with prizes, a club treasury is a good thing.

It sounds as if you guys are living the dream. Keep up the good work. Maybe publish your story in the AMA magazine -- makes for good press for the city and the club.
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05-09-2013 01:26 PM  6 years ago
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Thanks that's a great idea I will send that to Them. We have a secretary and treasurer position, pretty much all the standard needed positions. We hope to have funflys there, as of now an air show is planned for November to bring some recognition to the club and the other facilities. It's Ll still young right now but appears to be maturing fast. When the pavement is put down, I will take a huge jump in promoting the club.There is no such thing as up, it's all out...
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05-09-2013 02:00 PM  6 years ago
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3kidzheli In June the city will be spreading pavement 18'x 220'. Flight stations will be put in place...
Very cool. Might have to come down there and check that out.

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05-09-2013 02:30 PM  6 years ago
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It's more planes than helis right now but I'm pushing conversion hard! There is no such thing as up, it's all out...
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05-09-2013 03:16 PM  6 years ago
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Maybe publish your story in the AMA magazine -- makes for good press for the city and the club.
Actually a better place would be on the ModelAviation.com website, in the section called "Plane Talk:" http://www.modelaviation.com/planetalk. You can submit your own story, even photos. I cannot say it would be guaranteed for submission in the magazine or even how soon it would be published if it were to get in, so the website would be the most current place. Plus, it could also be shared on other social media such as Facebook.
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05-09-2013 04:02 PM  6 years ago
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sign me up... I'll come down for a fun fly... gets cold here in November!!!Home of the "Sea Cobra".....
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05-09-2013 11:27 PM  6 years ago
dkshema

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Your AMA district VP or AVP would love to hear the club's success story, so would the flying site committee. Always looking for success stories...-----
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05-09-2013 11:38 PM  6 years ago
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Thank you I will def report this to them when things are finalized!There is no such thing as up, it's all out...
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05-09-2013 11:50 PM  6 years ago
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"Other than the fact the club is mostly plankers who build scale WWII Warbirds, and who frown upon most anything electric, and look askance at the few heli flyers, it works well." There is nothing that lights a fire under me more than this sort of attitude and I assure anyone that decides to join us as a fellow member and develops this perspective or brings it into the association will be evicted and no longer aloowed to use the facility. It may be a public facility but that is irrelavent when the president of the club is lead investigator of the task force of police. It really works me up cause I have been around people in clubs that act this way. It will not be tollerated here. Children of any age, rc aircraft of any type, and people that are already a member of clubs in other places are welcome, just have AMA. How many "clubs" do we know of that will allow other people to use thier facility free of charge? We strive to consider ourselves a bunch of laid back friendly christians. We just want to spread the hobby and BURN SOME NITRO! There is no such thing as up, it's all out...
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