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05-08-2013 10:57 AM  6 years ago
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datidun

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Beast X flip and roll rate question
Hi would like to know when using the Parameter menu in B-Control behavior if one chooses Blue for transmitter mode,what are you guys using to speed up and slow down flip and roll rate,are you using the Dual rates or the Travel adjustments,i have my end points all at 100% and Dual rates 100%,on the bench watching what the Beast X does,it looks like the ATV,s and dual rates do the same thing,but surprised that the servo travel does not move at all like a FB heli,thank you.
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05-08-2013 09:33 PM  6 years ago
MikeG4936

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On transmitter mode, I'm using dual rates and expo to make adjustments from the TX. Works great!
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05-09-2013 08:15 AM  6 years ago
datidun

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Anybody else using the Beast X
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05-09-2013 03:54 PM  6 years ago
nickwap

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+1 for transmitter mode here as well,

ATV's at 100% Rates at 100% in idel up's
I tune the flip speed with the middle pot dial (I cannot recall the pot desgnation)
This is the one that controlls the forward feed I have it set between 10 and 11 o clock this makes it crisp and quick. The other pots are at default settings (9 o clock)
My setup is a Trex 700 / YS 91 and Align HV servos direct lipo power.
The bench movements are not representative of the in flight movements.
Make sure the 'Blue Light' stage of the set up is correct and the cyclics are maxed out no binding, I have 12 deg +/- on pitch.
I have 15% expo all modes 70% ATV Cyclics in Norm Mode(JR 9503)

HTH

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05-09-2013 04:00 PM  6 years ago
datidun

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Thanx for the reply everybody seems to do it different when using transmitter mode,im thinking i should keep the end points at 100% and only use the dual rates,but i just bought this months Rotorworld and they say to use the end points,so it comes down to the Dual rates and end points do the same thing on the Beast X.Im not sure if i should change Menu G Cyclic response,does that change the speed of flip and roll rate.
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05-09-2013 04:23 PM  6 years ago
nickwap

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ATV and Duel rates do the same thing.
If you havn't flow the model I suggest you start with the 'Sport' set up as it is very tame but use 100 % Rates and 100% ATV as these are pre-set in the beast when you use any setting except 'transmitter'
Even Expert is rather tame for most flyers.
Dont worry about the beast having too much control the pitch and cyclic numbers seem extreeme when you come over from flybared helis but this is what a FB'less set up needs

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05-09-2013 04:27 PM  6 years ago
datidun

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Thanx if one uses the Sport mode,is the the end points and Dual rates disabled in other words if its in Sports setting and the dual rates are changed there will be no effect.
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05-11-2013 04:33 AM  6 years ago
npsk8ter

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115 atv on both aileron and elevator makes for a pretty wild 450. Left the dual rates alone. No other way to use this beast x besides transmitter mode! T-Rex 700n vbar, Logo 600 vbar, Rave 450 350mm 6s beastX, Devil 480 6s vbar... Need I say more???
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08-01-2013 03:52 PM  6 years ago
Richardmid1

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Use Dual Rates, they are usually on the same screen as EXPO and you only have to change one figure per surface per flight mode. With ATV's you have to change both figures per surface per flight mode and you could make a mistake and have 100 for left aileron and 110 for right aileron! PLUS you can switch between different rates in flight using your aileron and elevator dual rate switches (I never bother but you can).

Datidun, EVERYTHING is in the manual. Page 66:

"When using predefined control behaviours we do not recommend to additionally adjust control curves (Expo/Dual rates) in your transmitter as this will mix indefinable the preset curves of the Microbest with the curves of the transmitter. But if you make little changes (e.g. slightly increasing the servo throw to increase rotation rate) this should be no problem."
60% of the time, it works every time!
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08-01-2013 06:14 PM  6 years ago
cudaboy_71

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when i flew beastx i pretty well maxed* out both ATV and DRs to get an acceptable flip/rollrate. you can turn ATVs to 120 and DRs to 112, or you can turn DRs to 120 and ATVs to 112. the unit receives the same signal either way.

there's a thread somewere on HF where the lead dev for beastx talks about it a bit. in a nutshell he said that the unit can only flip/roll so fast. at some point pushing the limits of ATV/DR will simply start reducing the resolution of the unit.

the only argument for ATVs vs DRs if if you have different settings in different flight modes, since ATVs are universal across flight modes.

*so, maxed out means turned up until it no longer makes a noticable difference
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08-01-2013 06:24 PM  6 years ago
Zaneman007

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You'll want to use the endpoints, as this is what the manual tells you to use.

In addition, you'll need to set the expo, as you are relying on what is in the transmitter, and not the beast. As what was pointed out to you on Page 66 doesn't apply to the flip and roll rate when in transmitter mode.

As far as end points and dual rates doing the same thing, thats like say trim and sub-trim does the same thing, and that would no be "technically" wrong. There are two distinct features there for a reason, and its not redundancy.
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