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04-29-2013 05:28 AM  5 years agoPost 1
misskimo

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Alaska 17 years, before mississippi for 31y

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I brought out my xtera 700 trex nitro conversion Its been in the hanger for 2 years, had the esc out, gyro out, motor and 2 stage gearbox out and apart, put it all back togther and just test flew it, man, 21 f outside , sure got my hands cold real quick, still need alittle tuneing , but it was good to fly a heli in 2013.
The action on this stock head is great, servos direct to swash, old Vblades, yeh, they doing some talking. I miss the good ole reliability of a mechanical head, felt good

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05-15-2013 04:13 PM  5 years agoPost 2
chuanist

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Berkeley, California

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You know, I still haven't managed to get the mini V-bar working in my T-rex 450 Pro, so I'm still flying flybarred heli's and they work real good. Eventually I'll figure out the configuration puzzle that's been stumping me but the whole fly bar-less thing seems less urgent as I get better with inverted orientations.

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05-16-2013 08:15 AM  5 years agoPost 3
TomC

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Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

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Still nice to fly a well setup fb'd heli for sure. But, would I ever buy a new fb'd heli? Very unlikely!

Cheers,
TomC

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05-22-2013 11:36 AM  5 years agoPost 4
Pascal-KC

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Kansas City, KS, USA

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All my helicopters are now flybarless. Can someone characterize the difference as part of piloting is concerned between the two types? Is there time required to adapt when transitioning from one to the other?

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05-22-2013 12:23 PM  5 years agoPost 5
DemetriusUSN

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Virginia Beach, Va USA

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I'm no 3d pilot but I feel you have to really fly a fb heli vice the fbl system helping or assisting you with the controls. I have both, Fusion 50 fbl, Outrage fb 550 and Trex 500 fb beater I just finished. I love how each of them flies different, I dont mind either one. You have to fly the fb a little different from the fbl but to me its cool.

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05-22-2013 02:25 PM  5 years agoPost 6
misskimo

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Hey. On my machine. A proto type with servos direct to swash acts 25% better than a standard trex linkage head. So im not hampered much with this one. One of the main difference between a fb head and a flb head is timing. Yeh. Flybarless is quick. And yeh. You can tone it down to somewhat act like a fb heli. But its still different.
But it just takes time to get use to it. I dont like it when a flybarless acts up like my diabolo did last year with the vbar. Resets in flight. Worse feeling ever. Never worry with fb

T

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05-23-2013 10:18 AM  5 years agoPost 7
Pascal-KC

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Makes sense. Thank you for the insight!

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06-17-2013 07:11 PM  5 years agoPost 8
BallisticBlades

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Tri-Cities, WA- USA

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I'm still fairly new to heli's, and recently converted my 600E to FBL with a V-Bar. There was a bit of a learning curve, but most likely because it was just a new setup with a little different settings. Flew it for the first time Saturday at a FF, and after a couple flights I was trying new 3D stuff I never had the guts to do before. Having a 3-axis gyro is a whole new ballgame. Works amazing! Chuanist- What kind of problems are you having setting up your V-Bar?

Cheers,

BB

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06-18-2013 01:32 AM  5 years agoPost 9
Zaneman007

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You don't have to make wind corrections.
And you don't want to give it inputs while on the ground.

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06-18-2013 02:21 AM  5 years agoPost 10
Gregor99

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Western Wa

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you don't want to give it inputs while on the ground.
Unless it's tipping over LOL. On my 450 with a BeastX landing on uneven surfaces (lumpy grass) can result in the model tipping. After it lands, I always continue flying until the blades spool down. Not really an issue on the larger models.

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06-21-2013 01:38 PM  5 years agoPost 11
doorman

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Sherwood, Arkansas

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Just A Suggestion...
Gregor99
If you increase your deadband setting it could help you with the tipping problem on your rex.. I run on #4 (think 2 is the default)
Stan

Did not mean to hijack this post!!!!

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06-21-2013 07:25 PM  5 years agoPost 12
Gregor99

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Western Wa

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That's a good suggestion. When I setup the Skookum (same radio, different model), the Skookum software showed the sticks were not coming back to center. A tiny bump in the Skookum's deadband fixed it. The Beastx doesn't provide that kind of feedback so I didn't realize there was an issue. I'm currently at the default and will try bumping it up.

But there have been time when one skid lands on a lump of grass and the other one hits flat ground. As a result the model starts to tip and it looks like the Beastx is trying to compensate for that. I've tried to land on flatter surfaces and that has helped a lot.

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06-22-2013 03:01 PM  5 years agoPost 13
Zaneman007

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Uneven landings
Yea, I had one skid fall in a crack. I thought the whole thing was going to tip.

I do an auto when I land 99.9% of the time. Once the skids look like they are about to hit, I remove my thumb from the stick. Giving it input when it's on the ground can be disastrous. Then, I go full negative on the pitch. When it land on uneven ground, or one skid lands on top of a fire ant bed, it looks like its going over but it never does.

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06-23-2013 03:02 AM  5 years agoPost 14
BallisticBlades

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Tri-Cities, WA- USA

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I'm still getting used to not giving it corrections on the ground. It just feels so wrong! I am sure LOVING my FBL setup though. I am still a newbie, only been flying heli's a couple months, and starting to do a lot more inverted stuff, piro stuff etc. It gave me that confidence boost I needed to just sack up and start trying new things! I have an absolute blast every time I fly. Loving my V-Bar, but I'm going to try the 3GX that came in my new 550 kit. It gets a lot of trash talk, but Alan Szabo Jr. told me that the new firmware is much better, and I heard from others that it's getting better. If it sucks, I'll ditch it and get another V-Bar...

Happy flying my friends!

BB

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06-23-2013 03:09 PM  5 years agoPost 15
motorhead540

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eaglecreek,oregon - USA

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Hey ballistic are you going to brooks next weekend for the heli funfly ???

wife says if i'm going to be an addict at least its to a heli

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06-23-2013 05:43 PM  5 years agoPost 16
BallisticBlades

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Tri-Cities, WA- USA

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Wish I could, but just not in the budget. Saving my pennies for Snohomish. I am SO hooked man. Was working on my inverted stuff yesterday. Bill, Alan and GV have been awesome coaches. Have fun down there. I'll definitely make it next year! Post lots of pics on our NW Heli Facebook page.

BB

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07-20-2013 06:55 PM  5 years agoPost 17
chuanist

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Berkeley, California

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You know, one of my flying buddies still can't fly circuits, but always wants to put his T-rex 600e upside down. The BeastX allows him to do this, but if it drifts to his right or gets a little bit side-in, or if he gets tense, he is almost sure to crash because he hasn't learned how to fly the helicopter.

Now that I have a modicum of ability I want to expand my sense of orientation. Using electronics to 'make it easier' has not been my interest.

I will field the 450 Pro w/Mini V-bar but keep the 450 SE with the conventional fly bar head.

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07-20-2013 07:30 PM  5 years agoPost 18
unclejane

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santa fe, NM, USA

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Well if you do want to make it challenging, there's always NOBAR. All you need is a tail gyro, a FBL heli and a computer radio. Add some wind, and you'll have all the "don't want to make it easier" you want....

But seriously, consider NOBAR if you really want to develop skills with the rotor disk. All the screwball stuff a heli normally does is no longer taken care of by gyros so the pilot has to manage it manually. I've found it to be good training, particularly in how to make the rotor disk do what you want it to do. Without the gyros the heli will really try to fly you for a while - with practice you can turn that back around.

Like I said, especially in wind, you can run down your batts just hovering all day and have a blast. The heli will do so much weird stuff, you'll be wondering why you never did it before.

And when you do go back to the gyros, I think you'll find that it has really helped. It does me anyway. I have my 750's setup so I can turn the cyclic gyros off at the transmitter. and I still flick the switch and do some NOBAR for practice from time to time.

If you take off the tail gyro too (I did do that once), then you're truly "Testiclees"!

LS

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07-20-2013 08:45 PM  5 years agoPost 19
Jay Cotty

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Maryland USA

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I'll stick with the old school flybar that's the real deal the set-up is more than a challenge. Just saying.

Fly it like you stold it! AMA #17239

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07-22-2013 02:35 AM  5 years agoPost 20
Razmo

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Chicago

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FBL reigns superior by leaps and bounds for several reasons. Not only can an FBL system be configured to simulate a mechanical flybar feel if preferred, it's done electronically, which is far more efficient in several ways and allows comprehensive adjustablity on the fly. FBL also simplifies part count which makes for a lighter bird and ease in rebuild.

From my perspective, FBL is solely advantageous when compared to flybar in every aspect that makes it useful.

Raz

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