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04-26-2013 03:41 PM  7 years ago
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GyroFreak

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Question for our friends, the British.
I had a co-worker who was British. When he would go to the cafeteria to make his 'spot of tea' he would use a heater to boil the water. I asked why he didn't use the microwave which would be faster and didn't have to carry around his little immersion heater.
I ask if it was tradition or did it really make a difference.
He insisted microwaving made the tea taste bad, nothing to do with tradition.
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So any of you Brits have any evidence this is true, what chemical reaction is different in heating water by microwave or a little immersion heater ?
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And you don't need to be British to try and answer this.
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04-26-2013 03:52 PM  7 years ago
lewma

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We use a 'kettle' to boil the water. Personally I don't see a difference however all old people swear by letting the kettle boil, then quickly putting the tea in the pot to stew. If you do it too early, or wait too long after the boil the tea doesn't taste the same, so they say.

After 20 years in the US, I'm hard core coffee now however we go through the same rituals whenever our parents are out here visiting.
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04-26-2013 04:59 PM  7 years ago
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Saw a recent science experiment for a 5th grader who had two plants that he fed with bottled water and the other with microwaved water....

It was interesting that both plants were served water at room temp, same amount through out the experiment.

The microwave plant browned and died and well the bottle water plant lived on...

This kind of got me curious too about boiling water in the micro....

just found it interesting...
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04-26-2013 05:21 PM  7 years ago
SuperSixTwo

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Is it possible that the water is absorbing the radiation, basically contaminating it?
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04-26-2013 05:42 PM  7 years ago
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Connoisseurs can taste these differences and they seem huge to them. Sometimes it's just similar to a placebo effect. It's probably more that the kettle feels more properly made than the microwave and thus tastes better. As for the kid's test, two plants do not make useful data points. Plus the test would also need to be repeated by others to see if they get the same result. I know I can taste the difference between grinding coffee beans the night before vs the morning of. Although there is the fact that ground coffee goes stale very quickly. Yet a lot of people get accustomed to stale coffee and don't care one way or another.
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04-26-2013 05:58 PM  7 years ago
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In some cases the kettle has temperature control... The temperature of the water is important, it determines what oils will come out of tea or coffee. It does make a noticeable difference. ( GF is a foodie and tea nut )

Even things like how much mass the kettle has changes the cooling rate while brewing and reportedly makes a difference on the result.
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04-26-2013 06:42 PM  7 years ago
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I drink a lot of 'Ice Tea' in the summer. While I use the microwave to bring a cup of water to a boil, I don't put the tea bags in until the cup of water is removed and stops boiling. Then dipping the bags until a nice strong hot tea is made. This is then poured over a glass full of ice cubes. Add cold water to complete the ice tea to desired strength.I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?
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04-26-2013 07:02 PM  7 years ago
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It does make a difference in taste,
My wife is a hot tea drinker, also 90% of alaskans are too, im a cold tea drinker, we mostle use tea leaves, no baggies, She does hers many ways to get the taste out, Boil water, then pore it into a kettle with tea in it, a tad suger, let set to get consentraded , then add some to cup , feel the rest with water, drink away, nuk to heat back up
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04-26-2013 07:03 PM  7 years ago
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microwaves
there was a study years ago in Russia of factory workers that used and did not use microwaves ovens, the ones that used the microwaves got the higher percentage of cancer
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04-26-2013 08:15 PM  7 years ago
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Ha ha,
Nuk them doesnt cause cancer, thats so funny,
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04-26-2013 08:55 PM  7 years ago
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My brother preferrs to boil his water for coffee than microwave the water. He claims that the boil water stays hotter longer.
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04-26-2013 09:12 PM  7 years ago
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lol...nonscienceaments.

microwaves are non-ionizing radiation....they will cook you, but not give you cancer.

they induce high frequency vibration in water molecules (generating heat from movement/kinetic energy).

to the OP....sure, tea/coffee making is NOT science.....it does need to be "cooked" at the proper temp, too hot/too cold and its no good. I'm sure your friend has very fine control of his little induction heater and knows what the "right" temp is for his tea. Microwaves offer no such control. (of course you could use the temp probe if the microwave was equipped with one).

the big joke of the mcdonalds coffee case were the lade was burned was due to their market research that showed people preferred the taste of their coffee at about 184 degrees...the lady actually had 3 degree burns.
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04-26-2013 10:06 PM  7 years ago
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Saw a recent science experiment for a 5th grader who had two plants that he fed with bottled water and the other with microwaved water....

It was interesting that both plants were served water at room temp, same amount through out the experiment.

The microwave plant browned and died and well the bottle water plant lived on...

This kind of got me curious too about boiling water in the micro....

just found it interesting...
The variable in this experiment is the bottled water: Was it ever boiled?
I assume the "microwaved" water was brought to a boil and then left to cool to room temp.
But, was the bottled water boiled in a pan (or whatever) and then cooled to room temp?

If the experiment is true, I would hypothesize that the "microwaved" water had the important nutrients & microbes killed off in the process of boiling it. And it may not (or may) be related to the microwave energy.

There are well documented studies that show that most "bottled water" is local tap water that has no extra processing / conditioning.
In other words: Microwaved water is truly sterilized water, while the "bottled water" isn't.

Also, as for the taste difference between microwaved water vs. a pot:
A metal pot or the induction heater will typically ADD flavor to the water (good or bad). There is a transfer of iron, tin, lead - whatever into the water while it comes to the higher temp. Try a ceramic tea pot vs. a metal tea pot next time.

Microwaving in a teacup or coffee cup adds no "extra" flavor to the water - what you taste is what came out of the faucet.
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04-26-2013 10:18 PM  7 years ago
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you guys know that microwave ovens don't use "radiation" like nuclear radiation to warm food, right? They use Radio Frequency energy to excite water molecules which in turn warm up.Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!
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04-26-2013 10:37 PM  7 years ago
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Here is a snopes report about the rumor that microwaved water kills plants. It is false.

http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp
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04-26-2013 11:56 PM  7 years ago
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So in the old days, what did they "test" the door and door seal for on the first microwave ovens?

And i agree, that boiled water in a cast pot taste better anyway. I prefer coffee though.
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04-27-2013 12:12 AM  7 years ago
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So in the old days, what did they "test" the door and door seal for on the first microwave ovens?
Microwaves heat liquids that have dipolar molecules ( water is a dipolar ). The charge attraction flips the molecules around back and forth causing friction to heat them up. once the power is off the water is presumably still just water.

When the microwaves hit YOU the same forces are acting on your DNA which is also a series of semi dipolar segments. If those forces interrupt correct replication of DNA or RNA, that DNA is changed and you can end up with a problem.

( I make stuff that heats with magnetic waves for a living, but I know very little about DNA... that part I only know what the safety guys say... they also say my extra fingers are good for typing )
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04-27-2013 01:12 PM  7 years ago
shawmcky

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Folks can be fussy here,mums way,boil kettle,tea in pre-warmed teapot,in with the freshly boiled water,allow to stand or stew(5 mins),sugar/milk to cup,pour tea.Rich tea biscuits or preferred choiceDont drink tea myself unless desperate.Instant coffee as follows,brown sugar,instant coffee and milk followed by boiled kettle water,has to be in that order(does make a difference),light brown,hate strong coffee.Dont know anyone that uses a microwave for coffee or tea.Team- unbiased opinion.K.I.S.S principle upheld here
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04-27-2013 01:21 PM  7 years ago
shawmcky

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Watch at YouTube

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04-27-2013 02:23 PM  7 years ago
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I work with stuff that uses magnets and RF too, a medical MRI machine. Have you noticed that a microwave has a screen in the door? It is part of the Faraday cage to keep RF from escaping.
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