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04-24-2013 04:22 PM  5 years agoPost 21
nappyroots2182

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Lexus RX 350 are the best bang for the buck. and yes i work for a dealship so i get to play with all these brands.

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04-24-2013 05:14 PM  5 years agoPost 22
hootowl

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Great replies.. keep them coming. I looked up a lot on the Buick. It is an Opel based on the Mocca.... see here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Mokka
if we can believe wiki.
The Mokka is based on the GM Gamma II platform
Gamma II

2012 Chevrolet Sonic
GMDAT has taken responsibility for future development of GM's GSV (Global Small Vehicle) architecture,.[2][3] This architecture will eventually be used for all small vehicles from GM, as a true global small car platform. Most of the engineering work on GSV based Opel/Vauxhall vehicles was done at Opel's International Technical Development Center (ITDC) in Rüsselsheim, Germany.
The vehicles will be assembled at factories in the United States, Brazil, Germany, Spain, India, Korea, Mexico, Thailand, Venezuela, and China.
Current and announced vehicles based on GSV platform:
2010 - present Chevrolet Spark, Holden Barina Spark
2011 - present Chevrolet Aveo/Sonic, Holden Barina
2011 - present Chevrolet Cobalt
2012 - present Opel/Vauxhall Mokka,[4] Buick Encore
2012 - present Chevrolet Spin
2013 - present Chevrolet Trax, Holden Trax
2013 - present Chevrolet Onix
2013 - present Chevrolet Prisma mkII
from 2014 Opel Corsa E
I did find this...
The chassis specifications are similar to, but not exactly those of the Chevrolet Sonic 5-door. The Sonic, being built in Michigan's Orion Township, has historic ties to the past Aveo built in Bupyeong.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-sho...13-buick-encore

Not sure anything said takes anything away from this car (Encore). We kinda are leaning towards it. It is pricey for it's size but I will see if they will haggle down a few thousand. Than we throw in a GM card $1000 discount.

Wife's sister has Hyundyai Santa Fe... Mileage was horrible.

Not even considering VW, Audi, Mercedes or BMW due to cost of ownership.

Also looking at Acura RDX except it's on the higher price side.

But, we are really liking the smaller footprint and size of the Encore. She's tired of driving boats. She has a Buick Rainier now and does not want anything bigger.

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04-24-2013 06:23 PM  5 years agoPost 23
Crashr30

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Have to kind of read between the lines of those articles but they are all based ont the Sonic and not an Opel....

Being that the WIKI article is on the Opel itself, yes the car was (engineered) for the european market but is still based on the Sonic. It is a matter of marketing perception. Here are two quotes from Automotive News, the industry newsletter...

"
The Encore is built on the same platform as the Chevrolet Sonic subcompact and priced starting in the mid-$20,000s, packaged with optional premium touches such as a heated steering wheel. Market watchers cite several imperfect comparisons: the Mini Countryman or Nissan Juke (cheaper); the BMW X1 (pricier); the Volkswagen Tiguan (bigger). "

Read more: http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.d...e#ixzz2RP0C2TMI
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"GM Korea makes 11 vehicles. Broken down by their six basic architectures, they are:

• The Chevy Spark minicar.

• The Chevy Sonic hatchback and Chevy Trax, Buick Encore and Opel Mokka compact crossovers

I doubt you can get to the full article in Automotive news as I have a subscription."

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The vehicles, Sonic and other vehicles are built in different plants throughout the world. Also the Sonic was designed by the Koreans (it used to be Daewoo) and they are very strong and the car is a good one. The SUVs are a combination of Korean and market specific engineering i.e. USA, Europe, China.

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04-24-2013 06:25 PM  5 years agoPost 24
Crashr30

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One other quote
Here is one more quote from Automotive news..

"GM is putting something in the market that doesn't really exist. There is no tiny luxury crossover like this," says Aaron Bragman, a product analyst at IHS Automotive.

Bragman says the Encore, developed and built in Korea, was conceived more for China, Europe and other overseas markets than for the United States. It hit showrooms in Europe in October as the Opel Mokka and goes on sale in China in December as the Encore.

"It's going to be something of an experiment for GM in terms of how it does in the U.S. market," Bragman says.

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04-24-2013 06:42 PM  5 years agoPost 25
hootowl

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Good stuff thanks!

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04-25-2013 04:40 AM  5 years agoPost 26
outhouse

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Hoot get the Highlander, and you'll send me a xmas card thanking me.

Its the only SUV I sell regularly over 200,000 miles that still makes it through the shop and smogs and the chassis is still in decent shape.

Nothing, nothing comes close.

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04-25-2013 04:44 AM  5 years agoPost 27
outhouse

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Highest mile GM vehicle I sold was trailblazer with 186,000.

It was beat, but it did make it through the shop.

Value about 4000 less then Highlander with the same miles and equipment.

Elec driver seat was busted and it was cockeyed, so we had to leave it that way.

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04-25-2013 02:03 PM  5 years agoPost 28
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The thing with the Hondas and Toyotas to me is they are not so comfortable. Interiors are blah.

I bought a 96 Honda Accord for my daughter a few years ago. From the original owner right down the street. Garage kept car. Had 128,000 on it. I hated driving it as it felt like my butt was on the road and I was looking over the dashboard. We put a couple thousand into it in repairs. Starter, driveshaft, water pump. Power doorlocks on pass side quit. Power windows acting up. All I'm saying is that aura of those vehicles being mechanically perfect is just an aura. My brother bought a brand new Civic way back when. It was in the shop frequently. A/C problems big time.

I drive a 2004 Dodge.... imagine that. Had my truck for 10 years now. Only complaint is under-engineered front end for the weight of the Cummins. I have since installed Chrysler's updated parts including the steering box and gear. Overall this truck has been great. It has NEVER left me stranded. Still looks new.. no rust to speak of. Resale value is very high... over 20,000. It's got 133,000 on it. Drives like new, motor just broken in.

Wife's 2004 Buick Rainier which is based on the GM Trailblazer SUV has also been a good car. Has just over 80,000 on it. It's comfortable, drives like a luxury car, full time AWD. Overall very reliable. Just yesterday I had to replace the encoder motor that runs the AWD. Cost $175 for the motor and I was able to install it myself in about 1/2 hour. I know the starter is starting to go and the emissions air pump is shot. So another $400 and my labor takes care of that. But like you said... resale on these sucks. But then it is 10 years old. We got a screaming deal on it brand new demo with 6000 miles on it. Sticker 39+ we paid 24. ($3000 GM credit card points helped!) I told her to get rid of it while we can get 6000 for it.

We are looking away from the Toyota and Honda because I think they are uncomfortable and over rated. Those 200,000 mile Highlanders never had any service work or mechanical issues that you know of in those 200,000 miles? Or don't you know?

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04-25-2013 06:33 PM  5 years agoPost 29
outhouse

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Belts every 90k, plus oil changes, and brakes.

The highlanders have always been more comfy then a Honda, but there not everyone's cup of tea.

After 10 years of selling cars, ive only sold a few over 200k, most don't get through the shop.

Tundra's, Highlanders, and Tacoma's do it regulary.

I have a GMC Sierra now, for a truck and ill have it another 20 years, so I do understand where your coming from. Seats are like couches.

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04-25-2013 10:05 PM  5 years agoPost 30
hootowl

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I'll put the Highlander on our test drive list and see how it feels.

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04-26-2013 03:17 AM  5 years agoPost 31
outhouse

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Since 2008 no timing belts

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04-27-2013 02:57 AM  5 years agoPost 32
hootowl

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Test drove the Buick Encore, Mazda CX5 and the Acura RDX today.

Buick Encore:
Just too small and didn't like the turbo lag and upshift. Also had a lot of torque steer. For $33,000 forget that. Probably could get it for 29.

Mazda CX5:
This car had everything for slightly less than the Encore. Little bigger, more motor, similar mileage. Got a preliminary price of $29884 fully loaded AWD. Test drive... engine was really quiet but road harshness was there at times. Still liked it. Steering was perfect. Limited color choices.

Acura RDX:
Took a quick test drive as the dealership was closing for the evening. First impressions very good but this one had the lowest mileage of the three. Better overall look and feel but $10,000 more. They said they never lose a deal LOL. Guess I'll be the first. We'll see what they can do $$ for comparison sake. Gonna do another test drive maybe tomorrow.

Need to look at the Toyota Highlander.

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04-27-2013 04:03 AM  5 years agoPost 33
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CX5 is very nice for your price range. If you are looking at used, see if you can find a Certified Pre Owned CX7. Nice vehicle as well. Acura is very nice just the price might be the hold back.

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04-27-2013 04:31 AM  5 years agoPost 34
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Most of the Acura MDX's we get in are really beat by the low hundred thousand. They have thin chassis like Honda's and are pretty much plagued with elec issues.

Read up and find out what others state.

last one I bought for 18 had 65k. 10k is common if it has navi at a hundred thou, we always have a higher shop bill, the bad thing is we usually don't fix everything on them and just pass the issue onto the customer.

very important to rub your hands around all the body panels on a highline, and door panels looking for overspray or paint repair. For some reason its pretty common.

They do have a little get up go that's nice the others don't. I call them a lease vehicle. Lease it or pass.

I don't have much on the RDX, but I cant imagine its much better in the long run.

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04-27-2013 12:30 PM  5 years agoPost 35
hootowl

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They have thin chassis like Honda's
Japanese vehicles in general have had metal issues. I know the 2005 Toyota Tacoma had a recall due to frames cracking.

These comments are great and get me to research things more specifically.

Like I said in an earlier post, the aura of the perfect car in a Honda or Toyota needs to be researched.

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04-27-2013 01:46 PM  5 years agoPost 36
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I'm guessing you have looked at the Buick enclave? I assume you ruled it out for some reason but if you thought the encore was too small it is bigger and one of my favorite looking vehicles around. They are more expensive but they just came out with the redesigned for 2013 so you might be able to get a good deal on leftover 2012 version.

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04-27-2013 04:01 PM  5 years agoPost 37
hootowl

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Enclave too big, Encore too small.

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04-28-2013 01:49 PM  5 years agoPost 38
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please go look at a subsru forester--------

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04-28-2013 02:58 PM  5 years agoPost 39
hootowl

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Subaru is not on my list. They aren't all that reliable and are not cheap to maintain. Many years had bad head gaskets. Brother has one that is costing him thousands. Mileage not good either.

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04-28-2013 06:21 PM  5 years agoPost 40
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Dont discount the Infiniti fx35/37

Its more of a crossover, and they do ride rougher then most with stiff seats, but running the canyon, nothing will tough them in a suv class.

Reliabiliy is pretty high too

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