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04-23-2013 05:49 PM  5 years agoPost 21
Jeff polisena

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Reputation ,reliability ??? They get the job done for the cost

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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04-23-2013 06:14 PM  5 years agoPost 22
RCHSF

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I think the Align 2-in-1 is fine, if you replace the tiny on/off switch with a lil bigger better quality one from radio shack and mount it away from any fuel. And seal the 2-in-1 box.

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04-23-2013 06:29 PM  5 years agoPost 23
Rotormaster

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i mean after you read about enough failures from a bunch of good people do you really need to experience the same failure yourself to be able to know anything about why they are failing ?
Funny the way you put it. It's like a person who doesn't believe an electric fence is electric until...

I think what dkshema is trying to say is that Align undoubtedly has a reputation for being on the lower end of the quality spectrum. Thus, you see people that don't even use their products talking them down. The reality is that a LOT of people use Align stuff... most with no problems at all.

To add my own unbiased opinion of the few Align products I have used, stock 450 pro motor and esc worked fine, and ESC has a very nice soft-start. I cannot say much about their reliability as I only used them for maybe 20 flights.

As for the stock servos (DS410M), I couldn't be more satisfied. I have been using the same set from the beginning, and even with my hard flying they have never missed a beat. Best part, Out of maybe 20-30 crashes, I have only had to replace the gears ONCE. Very happy about that.

Unfortunately, I can't say that I'm too happy with the quality of the helicopter kit itself (a lot of slop).

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04-23-2013 06:33 PM  5 years agoPost 24
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I'm using Align DS610's, 650's, and 620's in 3 of my ships, and I really like them alot. They have been fantastic for me, and the titanium gears in the 610's make that servo pretty much bullet proof. I managed a full speed crash into the ground with my 600E last October, and every single servo came out of it unharmed, with the rest of the model a complete rekit.

The 2 in 1 on more than one occasion nearly grounded me, so I've elected to go with Gryphon Extreme's in my helis now as far as regulators go.

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04-23-2013 07:06 PM  5 years agoPost 25
rexxigpilot

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The whole Align electronics are junk perception comes down to the fact that Align doesn't make their own electronics. When we know who actually makes their stuff (Savox servos, OS engines, etc.) they tend to be of good quality. When we don't know who makes them because either this information in not readily ascertainable or it is not provided (hidden) by Align, we should be cautious! Align too often uses the lowest bidder mentality and they/we get what they pay for! They paid junk prices and got junk in return. Unfortunately, Align is willing to risk their own reputation by providing us with lowest bidder junk!

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04-23-2013 07:16 PM  5 years agoPost 26
steph280

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Just like any other post questioning about a certain Align product, a lot of people will jump in with their 2 cents, some good some bad, but many from brand bashers who just despise the name.

Simple statistics will tell you when there are more samples of Align equipment out there, there will be more examples of failures than companies with smaller market share. You hear about Toyota recalling tens of thousands of cars, but rarely hear any recall on Lamborghini's or Ferrari's (which has more recalls than Toyota BTW).

Go to any of the helicopter funfly event and see what the majority of people are using, then draw your own conclusion...

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04-23-2013 07:19 PM  5 years agoPost 27
Jeff polisena

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The lower bidder junk works for them because of price point. Most will buy something if the price is rite no matter the quality . I will try anything once but I've found that most of the time the price or the "get what you pay for" is true signs of quality . Also just because a company known for quality and reliability makes products for another company does not mean its the same .

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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04-23-2013 08:14 PM  5 years agoPost 28
GetToDaChopper

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Funny the way you put it. It's like a person who doesn't believe an electric fence is electric until
Well you sure got that analogy totally bass-ackwards, a correct analogy would be.....

A person doesn't need to touch an electric fence to know that it is electrified, especially when others have already touched it !!!

to use your train of thought along the lines of an "electric fence" correctly in an analogy to what i really said......

Or an even better analogy along the lines of what i was saying and your "electric fence".......

I mean after you read about enough people getting shocked from touching an electric fence and this all coming from a bunch of good people do you really need to experience the same shock yourself to be able to know anything about why they are getting shocked ?

You do know what an analogy is right, just in case you don't here's what it means.....

1. a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.

2. similarity or comparability: I see no analogy between your problem and mine.

3. Logic. a form of reasoning in which one thing is inferred to be similar to another thing in a certain respect, on the basis of the known similarity between the things in other respects.

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04-23-2013 11:44 PM  5 years agoPost 29
dkshema

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Low bidder does not mean junk.

You cannot be serious to believe that Savox (or OS, or ...) would build sub-par stuff that doesn't meet their own standards for quality simply because it is being produced for someone else under a private label.

Tell me, when Savox builds those servos for Align, what parts exactly do they buy differently than they would buy for themselves? Do they have a separate production facility with lesser quality machinery and standards to build the Align stuff? Exactly how does one design a lesser quality servo for sale to a private label?

Wouldn't all that require Savox (or whoever) to operate multiple facilities, multiple assembly lines, maintain separate manufacturing buyers, inventory, stock, ... ... and that allows them to make cheaper stuff in the long run?

When you buy 500,000 surface mount 0603 10K ohm resistors for your product at maybe 0.01 penny each, where do you buy 500,000 surface mount 0603 10K ohm resistors for your "lesser quality" line that will cost you less than 0.01 penny each?

How does OS manufacture lesser quality pistons, rings, crankcases for an Align 55 than it does for their own OS 55?

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Since Ssvox is smart enough to figure out that the public is also smart enough to figure out that the private label stuff is made by Savox, too, what does Savox gain by building stuff that would be "junk" in the first place. Wouldn't that go towards tarnishing their reputation as a whole?

I don't think so.

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The price break for Align comes from the ability to do contract buys. If you, as Savox, know that for EVERY Align heli kit sold, you are guaranteed FIVE of your servos will be included in that kit, and if you know that Align sells a million kits every year around the world (numbers for example purposes only), you then know that you have a guaranteed sale of 5 million servos per year. That allows YOU as Savox to get even better quantity buys on components than you would without that extra business. It also allows you steady work for your production lines and your factory. Running separate production lines, building good stuff on one line and junk on the other is not cost effective, and simply stupid. Manufacturers are anything BUT stupid.

People making wild claims that low bidder means junk, and that companies like Savox build to two completely different quality standards have no idea how the real world of manufacturing actually works. Engineers and designers don't set out to design second quality stuff or junk. Manufacturers know that if they turn out substandard products on a regular basis, they won't be in business very long.

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04-24-2013 12:42 AM  5 years agoPost 30
Ronald Thomas

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Manufacturers build lower quality for outsource all the time. It depends on what specs the customer wants. Now having said that, the Align servos and smaller ESCs are about the only Align electronics I will personally use after being burned by some in the past. For the most part, Align's quality is ok to good IMO which is good enough for most people.

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04-24-2013 12:57 AM  5 years agoPost 31
McKrackin

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CONS:
2-in-1 regulator
3G
GP750
Motors (too hot)
I actually had good luck with the GP750 but had dismal times with the GP780.

Otherwise,your list is the same as my experience...while I might add the 3GX to the con list.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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04-24-2013 01:56 PM  5 years agoPost 32
Jeff polisena

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Align products are all not bad just seems the one product that is ,is the one I needed to keep from crashing .

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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04-24-2013 04:32 PM  5 years agoPost 33
Richardmid1

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CONS:
2-in-1 regulator
3G
GP750
Motors (too hot)

I actually had good luck with the GP750 but had dismal times with the GP780.
I thought exactly the same thing! GP750 was miles better than the 780, it just plain worked and worked well, why they changed to the 780 is beyond me! The later GP790 was even better than the 750, I actually posted on here a while ago saying the 790 was the best gyro ide flown with and ive had GY520, Spartan Quark, GY611, Solid G and Mini G!

I do however agree that the motors that came just before the M and MX series ran hot but the MX motors run cool and are fantastic value for money!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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04-24-2013 04:43 PM  5 years agoPost 34
GabrielB1231

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You get what you pay for. Buy cheap buy twice. Align equipment is "Okay" but like I said you get what you pay for.

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04-24-2013 04:53 PM  5 years agoPost 35
504Rone

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I have used tons of align electronics on the last few years. The only thing I ever had fail was a 700m motor on a 700e that I was lucky enough to auto down without any damage. The 3g for me was 50/50. One worked perfect out of the box with only one adjustment. The other needed the update and a few hours st yhe field.

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04-24-2013 05:57 PM  5 years agoPost 36
MartyH

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If you want an inexpensive example where a quality company/brand will make crap for another company, go to a drug store and buy an Old Spice soft stick deodorant. Now go to Wal-Mart and buy the same thing. Now compare them. The Wal-Mart version will be hard, very dry feeling and difficult to apply. Now try the drug store one. It will go on soft and smooth like it's supposed to. They look the same but are wildly different products and not worth the cost difference Wal-mart is always so proud of saving you. Believe me, someone is paying for that low price guarantee and it sure isn't them.

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04-24-2013 08:52 PM  5 years agoPost 37
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[quotePeople making wild claims that low bidder means junk, and that companies like Savox build to two completely different quality standards have no idea how the real world of manufacturing actually works. Engineers and designers don't set out to design second quality stuff or junk. Manufacturers know that if they turn out substandard products on a regular basis, they won't be in business very long.]

If engineers and designers knew what the manufacturers were doing with their designs they would know manufacturers will make things second quality to get the product out. The designers and engineers are not the ones making the product. Unless it is a very small operation. Most small operations don't build for other resellers.
In the case of Savox. If you got the money and they have the manufacturing capacity they will more than likely make you any kind of servo you want, as long as it does not have their name on it. Once it leaves their factory it is your servo and you can put any name on it you want to. I contacted Savox about my align servos and they told me they were Align servos and they did not service them. They did not say they did not make them though.

Align is a good reseller, with a good product at a good price. The OP wanted to know why people who don't us their electronics chose not to. Their servos cost me several hundred dollors, more than once. These servos more than likely came form the same batch. That can happen to any manufacturer. In my case Align would not replace or repair the servos. If they had been Savox brand, Savox would have fixed them.
These are my experiances, and why I don't use Align servos. These are my experiances in the manufacturing side. I have 42 years experiance in manufacturing working from the shop floor machine opp., skilled trades, engineering.

Jimmy, If it looks like a heli I like it.

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04-26-2013 04:48 AM  5 years agoPost 38
BobOD

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Sometimes manufacturers build higher quality components for the rebrand. Particularly when the sourcing company is bigger and/or has a more well known name to protect.
And, with the potential for higher volume, the price can come down while the quality goes up. Purchasing power basically.

I'd say Align does a pretty good job of getting things under control, especially lately. It seems their biggest issues over the years have been related to the rapid introduction of new things. Although this may not be fun at times, you have to give credit where credit is due. Having new things is a want also. And, most companies would fall flat on their face if they tried to introduce 1/4th of what Align has in as much time.

And then you can't miss the big picture. If there are 10000 units and 50 failures (0.5%) versus another make has 200 units with 10 failures (5.0%) and you don't consider the volumes, it will seem the 50 failures are more important than the 10. Obviously this is not so (0.5% vs 5.0% is the reality).
On top of that, there is more skewing because sometimes reporting of problems publicly becomes a headache. At least that's my guess as to why I seem to get more pm's and emails regarding issues with some makes while if it is an Align, people seem to post it in a thread straight away. So, when there's 50 failures, you see 50 failures but you only see 2 or 3 of the 10 failures.

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