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04-23-2013 02:49 AM  5 years agoPost 1
joshmoha

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Why dose only a few flyers use align gov. Gyro. 2in1 reg.

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04-23-2013 02:57 AM  5 years agoPost 2
Chris.C

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I insisted on buying the airframe only when I bought my Trex700 V2.

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04-23-2013 03:07 AM  5 years agoPost 3
sonnyhad

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They had a few problems with solder joints giving out and causing crashes. That happened a few years back and Align never stepped up to the plate and took responsibility for the defects. Once you get a bad rep, its hard to fix it!! Its stuck with em for awhile. I like the servo's but that about all I have as far as Align electronics go. As you might know crashes aren't cheap, so why risk it!
That's why.

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04-23-2013 03:20 AM  5 years agoPost 4
MartyH

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Yes, I have never been willing to risk a heli to Align electronics for exactly the reason stated above. I also don't fly Align helis though I don't think I fear them. I just like almost everything else better.

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04-23-2013 03:27 AM  5 years agoPost 5
dkshema

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Why dose only a few flyers use align gov. Gyro. 2in1 reg.
Because that is your perception. I would suggest there are many more satisfied users out there than the few posts you see here and elsewhere who don't use the stuff.

Consider, for example, someone who appears to never have used any Align equipment, but has a definite opinion about something he's actually never used:
Yes, I have never been willing to risk a heli to Align electronics for exactly the reason stated above. I also don't fly Align helis though I don't think I fear them. I just like almost everything else better.
Marty's contribution to the thread is about as useful as getting a recommendation for a killer Steak House from a vegan.

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04-23-2013 03:53 AM  5 years agoPost 6
jschenck

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In the past year I have built/owned and flown the following:

Trex 250DFC, 450DFC, 500EFL, Trekker 800

All 100% out of the box Align components from tail gears to canopy. All fly well, including the 3GX.

- I don't have a lot to compare to not having personally owned any other FBL units, I haven't ran into a reason to spend money to swap my 3GX's out.

- I have owned JR, Futaba and Hitec servos. The Align servos have all worked well for me and I have no reason to swap them out.

- The MX series of motors in each of these has provided lots of power to these heli's. I seriously doubt I would gain much by swapping them for anything else in the same KV and weight range.

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04-23-2013 04:16 AM  5 years agoPost 7
GetToDaChopper

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Consider, for example, someone who appears to never have used any Align equipment, but has a definite opinion about something he's actually never used:
i'm not saying your right or wrong here BUT why do you think that the only way to know something about something is to have had hands on it at some point and that's it ???

you can learn a hell of alot just by watching, listening, and reading and all without sacrificing a great heli to the heli gods by burning it to the ground with a ESC meltdown, i mean after you read about enough failures from a bunch of good people do you really need to experience the same failure yourself to be able to know anything about why they are failing ?

I say no you don't !

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04-23-2013 05:43 AM  5 years agoPost 8
drdot

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fwiw..

Flown Align electronics a lot...have had one regulator go out.....flown Futaba a lot...Never had a problem myself, but the only radio failure I've seen in the last5 years was a FASST unit..
Still flying Align ESCs on several 450 frankencopters..Never lost one of those...
Have several friends flying 3gx units...They fly fine, new firmware seems to have tamed what issues there were...

All in all, even Kontronic speedys fail..

John.

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04-23-2013 06:13 AM  5 years agoPost 9
jimmymc2286

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I bought 6 new Align 610 servos and put a set in my Frenzy 50. 4 failed in just a few flights. The other 2 went into the trash. Align would not replace any of them and would not even service them. I also had a 510 die after only 6 flights. These failures cost a lot more than the price of the servos.

Jimmy, If it looks like a heli I like it.

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04-23-2013 08:27 AM  5 years agoPost 10
GetToDaChopper

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but the only radio failure I've seen in the last5 years was a FASST unit..
never heard of a futaba radio failure let alone experienced one.

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04-23-2013 01:21 PM  5 years agoPost 11
dkshema

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you can learn a hell of alot just by watching, listening, and reading
Beware what you read on the internet. There are many more people NOT having problems than the few who have. People don't complain about stuff that works.

As to your point however, DrDot reports having had a Futaba FASST receiver fail. Contrary to your post quoted above, you discounted his observed failure since you've never seen one yourself.
4 failed in just a few flights
As for having four servos die in rapid succession, after having been in this hobby for about 40 years now, and having an engineering background, I would not be inclined to blame the servos. Something else is wrong with that installation.

Keep in mind that Align doesn't MAKE the electronics. For instance, it's an established fact that Savox is the source of their servos. People seem to be generally happy with Savox servos. Shouldn't Savox have the same dismal performance and reputation?

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04-23-2013 02:14 PM  5 years agoPost 12
MartyH

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Marty's contribution to the thread is about as useful as getting a recommendation for a killer Steak House from a vegan.
I have used Align gear. That 2 in 1 regulator as a matter of fact and it was junk and is sitting on my bench in the junk pile. I have a set of 610 or 620 Align servos as well as Align main blades and Align F3C paddles for 90 size machines. The regulator and servos came in a heli I bought. I pulled the servos but will likely use them on a 50 sometime. The regulator was flaky. Between my limited first hand experience and the warnings of others, I have generally avoided Align stuff. It doesn't make it bad stuff, it just means I consider the claimed issues and in Align's case, I generally seek out alternative products.
Just answering the man's question Dave.

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04-23-2013 02:55 PM  5 years agoPost 13
Richardmid1

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Aside from the reg and BEC the align gyro's (maybe not the 780), servos, governor, motors and ESC's have all been good to me (apart from the GOV in the ESC's!)

60% of the time, it works every time!

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04-23-2013 03:47 PM  5 years agoPost 14
MartyH

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Aside from the reg and BEC the align gyro's (maybe not the 780), servos, governor, motors and ESC's have all been good to me (apart from the GOV in the ESC's!)
Which is specifically what the OP asked about.

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04-23-2013 04:03 PM  5 years agoPost 15
jimmymc2286

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dkshema
[As for having four servos die in rapid succession, after having been in this hobby for about 40 years now, and having an engineering background, I would not be inclined to blame the servos. Something else is wrong with that installation.]

I too have been in this hobby for more then 40 years. I am a retired toolmaker, and know how to build things to correct tolerance. I still fly the Frenzy. The only thing that was changed was the servos. I emailed Savox about the servos and they do not service Align servos either. I have Savox servos also and have had no problems. I have 2 Align helicopters that I like, and use align products all the time. But I have had trouble with their servos and will not use them. That was the OP's question.

Jimmy, If it looks like a heli I like it.

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04-23-2013 04:11 PM  5 years agoPost 16
GetToDaChopper

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As to your point however, DrDot reports having had a Futaba FASST receiver fail. Contrary to your post quoted above, you discounted his observed failure since you've never seen one yourself.
i discounted nothing, i simply shared my experience with futaba plus he didn't say "receiver fail" he said "radio failure", have you ever heard of anyone or have you ever had a radio failure in your 40 years in this hobby let alone a futaba radio failure ? (and a "Kraft" radio failure doesn't count, sorry to date myself lol) some people have the tendency to read more in to a post than what is really there, i think it's called projecting ?
Beware what you read on the internet. There are many more people NOT having problems than the few who have
That fine but i don't weigh the do's against the don't as it's more about the number of failures with me AND i always consider the source that why i said "good" people like "CY" or "MrMel" and the like.
and if you look closely at my posts in this thread i never said anything about align good or bad........

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04-23-2013 04:59 PM  5 years agoPost 17
BladeStrikes

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joshmoha
Why dose only a few flyers use align gov. Gyro. 2in1 reg.
Not sure who told you that but thousands of pilots use Align electronics..Ive been running Align electronics for years without issues..I had one Align DS620 tail servo fail but that happend around 500 flights so expected it to happen..

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04-23-2013 05:11 PM  5 years agoPost 18
1004ron

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As for having four servos die in rapid succession, after having been in this hobby for about 40 years now, and having an engineering background, I would not be inclined to blame the servos. Something else is wrong with that installation.

Keep in mind that Align doesn't MAKE the electronics. For instance, it's an established fact that Savox is the source of their servos. People seem to be generally happy with Savox servos. Shouldn't Savox have the same dismal performance and reputation?
I was also surprised when with the comments on the servos - I've only read good reports on the servos, and as you say, they are re-branded Savox.

I've had good service from the Align ESC's, motors, servos and FBL controllers.

I struggled with the 3G FBL controller, but the 3GX has served me well, especially after updating to the latest firmware.

Goblin 700 AR7200BX / T550E V2 AR7200BX / 450 Pro FBL, GT5

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04-23-2013 05:19 PM  5 years agoPost 19
BladeStrikes

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+1..
If someone burned up Align servos like that,they need to look at the setup...
I love when people say they won't run Align servos and brag about how awesome their Savox work when they have no ideal that its the EXACT same servo lol.Nothing different other than the name and color,that it...

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04-23-2013 05:25 PM  5 years agoPost 20
Stephen Born

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I am an Align electronic user. I will recommend Align products that I am satisfied with. Additionally, I will not recommend Align products that I have used and did not meet my specifications.

My unbiased Align opinion is as follows:

PROS:
DS650
DS620
DS610
DS520
DS410
3GX
GP780
RCE-B6X BEC

CONS:
2-in-1 regulator
3G
GP750
Motors (too hot)

This list is only from my experience utilizing these products. Furthermore, this is only my personal opinion.

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