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04-25-2013 02:05 PM  5 years agoPost 81
GREYEAGLE

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They do not want :
Democracy, Freedom, or Liberty

They cannot organize themselves without some mean's of violence or death to their own populations or civilizations.

It been that way for centuries. They cannot walk out of the darkness of behavior that is common amoung all of the Middle East.

No matter what lines on the map or boarder -it never changes on their own soil or during their society

After centuries it would not be in the condition it is in - the same - alway's remains the same.

Now the conditions are that it is coming here - Evidence is plainly viewed over time and example of the behavior within the United States. Sorry - But FACT

Never have they proved themselves to be a non - violent peaceful society or culture. They do not even attempt it - but continually find a exit or reason to blame others. They will not even face their own fact's. EVIDENCE / or deal with their own problems.

It's their Lot not ours. Not our Culture of Hostility

Our culture does not understand the reason of violence, but is instructed to understand it, and accept it, now it is with in our society and painting our streets red. Not our method of conducting business.

We have already invested too much in resources and it was not worth the effort. Simple fact of proper allocation of OUR resources. Too expensive - for the results obtained -a bust.

It will NOT work - Until they accept accountability of the behavior - It Will Never End - The violence and death of Innocent AMERICANS and to themselves also .

The violence / Envey /Jealousy / Resentment / Hate and too discontinue the violence. The do not understand / we do not either

We need to return too our own peaceful society -let them go with peace and grace to theirs -- and see if they can fix it -take their violence with them. We do not have to accept it.

Its their problem - not our's to solve for them .
Let them step up and fix it -

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04-25-2013 02:53 PM  5 years agoPost 82
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can't help the fact that all of the terrorist incidents have been committed by Muslims and backed up by religious leader as well.
Timothy McVeigh - Roman Catholic also not that I care republican
Ted Kaczynski - unsure maybe Polish Catholic maybe Atheist

Might be a good idea to check your info. And stop being so ignorant.
Are you wanting is all to share everything and be equal or are you like hoggy and dusty who just push an agenda of hatred aginst non Muslim religions or any who oppose them.
Hang on a sec I treat your religions the same I don't favour Islam I'm saying you should be treating them the same because not all Muslims are terrorists. Just as not all priests are paedophiles. If anyone here doesn't want things to be equal it's you. You want your country to be a Christian nation and probably the world for that matter don't deny it if you could you would round up all the other religions books and history you'd burn the lot. I'm sure you would be happy for the Bible to be the law.

Now did you or anyone else look up this name?

Mohammed Salman Hamdani

You should and then try not to forget it

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04-25-2013 03:02 PM  5 years agoPost 83
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Who Really Cares ??
Your stuck on a rock surrounded by water - make it your problem and not search for a off ramp or a exit of some sort to blame others.

The Excuse : Not a product which can be sold.

Own the thought you so cherish and the behavior. Accountable ----

Their is little value to power / prestige / or position :

So ----WHy buy it ?? or why do you attempt to sell it ??

Lousy product ------ don't need the stuff

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04-25-2013 05:34 PM  5 years agoPost 84
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No, it is you who supports terrorism, not I.

For example, you supported the bombing of Afghanistan, which as I have explained was a textbook case of terrorism, as defined by the US Department of Defense.
Your God given right to act like a fool is always evident.

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04-25-2013 09:11 PM  5 years agoPost 85
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If anyone here doesn't want things to be equal it's you. You want your country to be a Christian nation and probably the world for that matter don't deny it if you could you would round up all the other religions books and history you'd burn the lot. I'm sure you would be happy for the Bible to be the law.
What ever hoggy that statement is further from the truth then any of your other statements.
Good. It should be apparent that my mindset truly resides in upholding the rule of law
Dusty who's law ae you speaking of ,sharia?

You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.

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04-26-2013 04:40 AM  5 years agoPost 86
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This and many other topics like this are a dead end,,,just like the government. There is no more solidarity of any kind from the poeple of America,,just like the US government,, this is a reflection of the people and especially the rich whom control all media, religious beliefs in essence forgotten and used as a platform for hate.. it is the sign of the times and eventually the demise of this once great country.

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04-26-2013 02:56 PM  5 years agoPost 87
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You know what Turbo is right. WTF am I doing Rational arguments don’t usually work on religious people. Otherwise there would be no religious people.

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04-26-2013 03:04 PM  5 years agoPost 88
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fwiw..

There are no cogent arguments with which to defend islam. While there may well be "peaceful" muslims....How do I recognize them?
Our actions in the middle east are not terrorism...They are revenge. Personally would have targeted the Saudis, but that's just me connecting dots. to 9/11.
A pox on the entire cult.

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04-26-2013 03:07 PM  5 years agoPost 89
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All you need to Know ??

Is that long after we are gone : The Wind will continue to blow.

It is the way it has always been

So GET OVER IT

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04-26-2013 03:30 PM  5 years agoPost 90
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hoggy42
not all Muslims are terrorists.
Did you just say that ? they are all neat and fine, they all worship the same alah alah and bow down on
the same magic carpet.

I done care how much you parts them out like wild grass among
wheat. they're not differ get your logic right man.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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04-26-2013 04:49 PM  5 years agoPost 91
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rabia-sent.html

Something is fishy about Saudi...a rehabilitaion prison for terrorists or a welcome returning heroes hotel? The last line is interesting...religious instruction given to inmates is not moderate enough and is too close to many of the jihadists’ interpretation of the Koran and too close to Al Qaeda's own views.

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04-26-2013 05:20 PM  5 years agoPost 92
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First off hoggy I have never said all Muslims are terrorist I'm sure there are many peacefull people that are considered Muslim. I just said I will protect myself and my family that try's to attack us.
My question to shaw was will he conform or confront if his country was radically taken over. So let's get back to the question shall we ? It's a pretty simple strait forward question.

You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.

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04-27-2013 02:47 PM  5 years agoPost 93
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While many of us here Esco disagree on many things one thing is for sure... That we all think the same of you.
Did you just say that ? they are all neat and fine, they all worship the same alah alah and bow down on
the same magic carpet.
Yes I did say that. Now I know your a bit simple and I've been over this with you before so I'll go slow for you.

The word Allah is the Arabic translation for the word "God" In fact there are Christian Arabs they pray to Allah also which is God the same god from the same book you read.

Allah=God=Jah same word same thing I looked up the Jamaican one last time we spoke.

If you want to go to a bit more detail Christians Muslims and Jews all pray to the same God it's just that these religions have different story's about what happened. None can prove any of it of course.

I note you speak of the Magic carpet I assume because you think it's an absurd tradition? The question I ask would be is it anymore absurd then eating the flesh of your saviour in the form of a cracker and drinking his blood in the form of red wine?

The carpet kinda sounds like a more sane option to me.
they're not differ get your logic right man.
Don't you dare speak to me about Logic you can't possibly have a clue what the word means.

Also as no one has looked it up Mohammad Salman Hamdani
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/02/n...wanted=all&_r=0

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04-28-2013 02:12 AM  5 years agoPost 94
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The word Allah is the Arabic translation for the word "God" In fact there are Christian Arabs they pray to Allah also which is God the same god from the same book you read.
First off hoggy this statement is Absolutly false. You need study harder. Yes allah can be translated as god but the God of the bible and the god the Quran are not the same god.

As far as Mohammad goes that is great that he helped but what is your point? To show one person who helped and rise him above others who did the same as he just because of his religion! Many have been duped by people who claimed to be there to help. We will never know for sure about him.

You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.

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04-28-2013 02:10 PM  5 years agoPost 95
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First off hoggy this statement is Absolutly false. You need study harder.
I need to study harder do I? It's you that needs to study. First of all we are off topic quite a way and second you need to know I am making a statement here and not trying to reason with you.
Christianity and Islam are the two largest religions in the world and they have many points of contact. Both inherited from Judaism a belief in one God who created the world and cares about the behaviour and beliefs of human beings.
That's a fact

Muslims view the Bible is held to reflect true unfolding revelation from God/Allah but that it has been corrupted or distorted by man. Now because of this they say that God gave the Quran to the prophet Muhammad they claim the Quran is the full and final revelation of God. Furthermore to this they claim to respect the Bible because it does still contain some of the original teachings from God. However that said they then say that the Quran does abolish the authority of the Bible whenever there is a conflict.

So yes they do worship the same God as you and the Jews they just believe something different. They do believe that Jesus was real and born from a virgin etc. but was just a prophet not the son of god or god in anyway.

Now that's what they think. This is the logical way to look at who you all pray to. All three religions claim to have 1 GOD so assuming that one religion is right the other 2 are still praying to the same GOD just that they have the story wrong. Of course if you look at all three stories logically then none can be right and there is no GOD or at least it's very unlikely that there is a GOD.
As far as Mohammad goes that is great that he helped but what is your point? To show one person who helped and rise him above others who did the same as he just because of his religion!
Just to be clear to anyone else reading we are not talking about the Muslim prophet here. No I am not trying to rise him up above anyone because of his religion. I'm making a point about how quick people were to judge him because of it. When he could not be found his family were questioned about him and he was a person of interest for no other reason then his religion. Now if he were a Christian or a Jew or pretty much anything else none of that would have happened he would be just a missing person. So 5 months later they find his remains in the tower and work out what happened.
We will never know for sure about him.
Even here your trying to cast doubt, They were able to identify him because his ID was in his medical kit with his body. It would seem that the odds were he went to help and died doing so he's a hero with the other first responders who died that day. My point is don't be so quick to judge.

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04-28-2013 04:31 PM  5 years agoPost 96
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Just to be clear to anyone else reading we are not talking about the Muslim prophet here. No I am not trying to rise him up above anyone because of his religion. I'm making a point about how quick people were to judge him because of it. When he could not be found his family were questioned about him and he was a person of interest for no other reason then his religion. Now if he were a Christian or a Jew or pretty much anything else none of that would have happened he would be just a missing person. So 5 months later they find his remains in the tower and work out what happened.
First off of course they would question what he was doing . 3000+ just died by the hands of muslim terrorist ,duh of course they will question his presence,so again what's your point? It is you who is raising him up above others that were heros as well. Now if you added him to the fireman in a list and didn't point out anybody's religion then i would believe you but this is now so. Its excuse posturing and nothing more.
Muslims view the Bible is held to reflect true unfolding revelation from God/Allah but that it has been corrupted or distorted by man
So they believe as you. You make a great wiki religious expert but your head is not where it belongs on this matter. I will be glad to show you the difference but it won't happen here as per marks rule

Here is some basics of the difference. To do some simple study you would know that your version of this matter is incorrect.
2. It is good thing to believe in God, but it is not enough.
True Christianity worships the eternally self-existent God who spoke the world into being. Islam worship a god named Allah who is not eternal and who created nothing.
This is a problem even in this country, there
are some who think that because they believe in
the existence of God, they are alright. Over the
years I have met a lot of people who assume
because they simply believed in a god that it was
enough. The Bible speaks directly to this
supposition when it says in James 2:19, “You
believe that there is one God. You do well.
Even the demons believe——and tremble!”
Acknowledging the existent of a god is not the same as trust in “the” God for salvation.
Muslims believe that Allah is their god. The word Allah is derived from al-ilah which had become the general name for whatever god was considered the highest of all their gods at the time. During the days of Muhammad, each Arab tribe used the word Allah to refer to its own particular high god. Before Islam began, the moon god was the central focus of prayer and worship at Kabah. Interestingly the moon god was worshiped by praying toward Mecca several times a day, making an annual pilgrimage to the Kabah which was the temple of the Moon god, running around the Kabah seven times, touching a black stone set in the wall of the Kabah and gathering on Fridays for prayer and giving of alms to the poor. These were all part of the pagan rites practiced by the Arabs long before Muhammad was born and they still serve as “the five pillars” of Islam practiced today.
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You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.

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04-29-2013 01:40 AM  5 years agoPost 97
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hoggy42
We being down this road before and let me
Me assail you for a min.
You re a atheist you no different from the
Mslim as both of you dont belive the almighty

The guy you claimed is alah] and is purported
To be the G@D of the muslim is a man just like
Me and you and all these evil sucker worship him
Because they think he have a heaven full of
Unsex concubine he offer to give them if they'll
Die blowing the limb off other folks.

Christian don't kill mslim, mslim kill mslim
See assad start poison them over their it's us
Christian will have to intervene to save them
From them selves. These evil sucker think death
Is a way of life for them that why they're
Killing them self and everyone else.

And BTW tell alah from his grave to tell all his fellow man to denounce terroism including himself.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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04-29-2013 02:21 PM  5 years agoPost 98
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First off of course they would question what he was doing . 3000+ just died by the hands of muslim terrorist ,duh of course they will question his presence,so again what's your point?
Duh you didn't think that through did you? Mate your starting to sound a bit simple now. Let me walk you through this on Sept 11 he went missing he was not going to the WTC. It is believed, Mr. Hamdani was traveling to work at a DNA analysis lab at Rockefeller University.

So no one knew he was there in the 5 month between when he went missing and was found he was a person of interest and his family had been questioned.

Once he was found with his medical kit crushed in tower 1 it's then believed he had seen the smoke got off the train and gone to help.

You see how this is logical right?

I'm sure that on the same day someone white and Christian went missing in NY and the investigation was different then this.
You make a great wiki religious expert
LOL do you know where I got my info? 2 sites a Christian resource site and a Islam resource site.

Like I said I'm not trying to reason with you that's not possible your brain has been washed. You only see things from what your religion says your not objective. The things I have stated for you are the things they believe. They believe that you are all praying to the same GOD and that Christians have it wrong. You can't prove that they are wrong just as you can't prove you are right. Also you can't prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is not real.

The quote you put up from someone is all from the point of the Christian so it's 100% Bias so I'm not going into a heap of detail but this bit is interesting.
The word Allah is derived from al-ilah which had become the general name for whatever god was considered the highest of all their gods at the time
This is pretty much the same for Christians you use the word GOD however if we go back through some of the GODs from before the bible. Aphrodite, Apollo, Poseidon, Zeus etc. They were all GODs before the Christian GOD existed now suppose you were all running around praising Yahweh then you might have a point here.

Esco
Do you have to set an alarm clock to go off every 5 seconds or so to remind you to breath?
You re a atheist you no different from the
Mslim as both of you dont belive the almighty
Your half right I don't believe in any GOD. But the Muslims do Allah is their GOD a Man wrote there book just like yours.
Christian don't kill mslim
Try Google "The Crusades"

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04-29-2013 02:45 PM  5 years agoPost 99
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You can't prove that they are wrong just as you can't prove you are right.
As I said hoggy you need more study . I can prove by scripture alone that they pray to a different god then the God of the bible. I know that doesn't make you believe in a God but it proves my point that you don't have a clue what either of these books mean. I question you sources as well. Weather you believe or not is irreverent . But to state infactically what these religions believe in light of your wiki mentality is just foolish at best.
Once he was found with his medical kit crushed in tower 1 it's then believed he had seen the smoke got off the train and gone to help.
You see how this is logical right?
I'm sure that on the same day someone white and Christian went missing in NY and the investigation was different then this.
Again so what is your point? There could have been hundreds of Muslims helping out that day. Why do you elevate him so?

You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.

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04-29-2013 03:41 PM  5 years agoPost 100
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fwiw..

OK....Mashup time...Hamdani...Sleeper...Tower 1...Target..

Using cover occupation, Hamdani goes into Tower 1, triggers "micro-thermite" charges wired to support beams by Bush black op teams disguised as cubicle workers.....

This ties in nicely with information easily available on the internet...

BC

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