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04-06-2013 09:49 PM  6 years ago
dkshema

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what does the AMA actually provide for the average Joe? I understand they may provide some insurance but I have my own health insurance in case I get hurt and there is nothing I can destroy where I fly. I would also have to mention that I am not a fan of big brother and governance in general and from the outside looking in I do not see the benefits.
The insurance provided by AMA is not HEALTH insurance, it is LIABILITY insurance (secondary, but still, very useful -- especially if you're a kid who can't BUY liability insurance because you're not old enough to enter into a contract). Liability insurance for clubs, club members, and land owners to help locate and KEEP flying sites.

Since you're not a fan of big brother, the AMA is THE organization that has been keeping Big Brother out of our hair for many moons. They are currently fighting a large and difficult battle with congress and several states with regard to the banning of drones -- including what you might call your hobby heli. The AMA also has worked closely with the FCC for many years, obtaining and expanding the available RF spectrum that we fly on. They were instrumental in getting and keeping the 72 MHz band we used (and still do).

The AMA competition and Technical committees are pretty much responsible for working with manufacturers to get us the quality of equipment we currently enjoy.

Without AMA membership, you can't enter most fun flies, contests, or even the IRCHA Jamboree.

Today, the single most important reason is the current battle going on with respect to drones, the national airspace, people who fly first person view, and the quadcopter stuff. You need to add yourself to the voice of many, as there is strength in numbers.

The AMA liability insurance, although secondary insurance, is cheap, and as long as you fly in accordance with the published safety code, will cover you WHEREVER you fly.
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04-07-2013 02:14 AM  6 years ago
stubbs

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if it wasn't for AMA you would'nt have the freq
BS with today's 2.4Ghz systems. The frequency band doesn't need to be "blocked off" anymore like it was with older 72Mhz systems.
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04-07-2013 03:57 AM  6 years ago
dkshema

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BS with today's 2.4Ghz systems. The frequency band doesn't need to be "blocked off" anymore like it was with older 72Mhz systems.
That is a very short-sighted, uneducated reply that does not truly understand where the hobby was, where it is, and how it got there. Ignoring history is a great way to let yourself be regulated out of existence.

You were most likely not around when we were flying pretty much homemade radios, or when we were sharing perhaps five channels with the CB craze, or seven channels on 72 Mhz. AMA and its technical committee was instrumental in obtaining a 50-channel slice of the RF spectrum, in coming up with the "narrow-band" radios, and in making the cut-in of those 50 channels along with the existing wide-band channels nearly seamless.

2.4 GHz technology built on that base of accomplishments, and the AMA was not an outsider simply looking in on the new technology.

The AMA and FCC have had a good, close, working relationship that has allowed the hobby to flourish.

They have also gone to bat again and again when the FAA has tried to worm its way into regulating model aviation. They currently have a monster problem on their (our) hands, trying to keep modeling from being regulated out of existence in the face of rogue FPV flyers, people pushing the limits of modeling and flying more and more into the realm of the national air space and commercial aviation. At the same time, the public is being whipped into a frenzy by a fear mongering, lap-dog press, over evil drones.

I, for one, am fully supportive of the AMA and their mission.
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04-07-2013 04:21 AM  6 years ago
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> I, for one, am fully supportive of the AMA and their mission.

+Infinity for me.

Anyone who doesn't see AMA as an incredible and necessary ally for our beloved hobby is delusional.

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04-07-2013 04:53 AM  6 years ago
cudaboy_71

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+1

Could not have stated it any better. Anyone who thinks the hobby is where it is today by accident or luck needs a new pair of glasses.
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04-07-2013 05:13 AM  6 years ago
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Just completed.

IMHO, the #1 thing I'd like to see is more heli coverage in Model Aviation. I know it's been improved over the last several years (and there's an issue that covers IRCHA pretty well) but I'd like to see more general coverage (reviews, tips, how-to's, etc.) in every issue.
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04-07-2013 06:15 AM  6 years ago
dkshema

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Andy -- your comment about being wary of "big brother". AMA is a national body that sanctions competitions, provides insurance, works with federal and state agencies, and provides and educational vehicle for kids. It has hooks to other national and international aviation interests -- the NAA and the FAI.

But to the "big brother" thing. There are many AMA charter clubs in existence, and each club is unique, and run by its own, local members. The AMA does NOT intervene in local club politics, and does not tell clubs or members what to do, how to do it, and rule with a heavy hand. In that regard, it is anything BUT "big brother". Local club politics remain local.

Taking a look forward, with the looming battle over drones, FPV, UAS, and operation of models in the National Air Space, the AMA MAY become the body responsible for making sure that modeling remains what it is, modeling and a safe, responsible hobby. If that comes to pass, I would rather have an organization in control of my hobby destiny that exists to promote the hobby as opposed to some organization thrown together by politicians at the local, state, and federal level who have no idea what they are trying to regulate.
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04-07-2013 12:54 PM  6 years ago
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Dave,

I am sure the AMA is a great organization and helps many people and I don't want to bash an org that appears to continually help others. Like I said earlier I will probably join because of that. You mention that they are responsible for the quality of the hobby being where it's at because of them and other technical entities. I have purchased four helicopters since I got into this hobby about a year ago. Three out of four of the helicopters have been problematic and I have had to ask the distributor to replace parts on the kits to get to a 'flying' state. I also have had a few failures after getting them in the air. My latest heli in my collection is flying horribly after following the setup to a 'T'. In fact out all of the hobbies I have been involved in I have had the most issues with r/c helicopters and I am not a youngster and have purchased a ton of toys over the years. The problem is that I enjoy them too much to give up and I am fortunate enough to have some extra money laying around.

Where I fly I just don't need liability insurance. I'm sure it's good to have but I just don't need it. The chances of me hitting anything where I fly are the same as me getting that winning powerball ticket(I don't play the lottery). I have tried to find a local club where people fly helicopters with no luck and I just do not see any AMA presence where I live or with my current involvement in the hobby. Either helis are just not that popular in central Massachusetts, the AMA hasn't had an interest in this area, or people just don't care.

Like I mentioned earlier I will ending up joining because they appear to do good things for others and those people like yourself have helped me tremendously. If the AMA has a hand in bringing helicopters to the market they need to do a better job because I shouldn't have to continuously seek help to get a model in the air because of lack of setup instructions and the lack of quality parts in my kits.

As far as the AMA's presence I just do not see it where I live. If someone has to point out an organizations good and bad points to me for me to know who they are and what they do they may want to reach out a little bit more.

The AMA seems to be a great org but like I said I just don't see it. I am sure they helped getting the hobby to where it is now but personally if that means receiving expensive models that lack instructions on how to set them up and models that lack the total overall quality where I have to get parts replaced to get flying. Maybe it's just me that is getting 'bum' parts but I don't think so.
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04-07-2013 01:44 PM  6 years ago
rpat

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stubbs,
You should get your self educated before you make stupid statements like your last post. If it wasn't for the AMA you would still be playing with tinker toys.
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04-07-2013 03:14 PM  6 years ago
stubbs

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quote = HeliNutAndy

I understand they may provide some insurance but I have my own health insurance
Here's your sign...
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04-07-2013 03:16 PM  6 years ago
stubbs

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If it wasn't for the AMA you would still be playing with tinker toys.
You must be the one playing with tinker toys since I haven't even thought about those things in 30+ years, yet you apparently still do. AMA or no AMA, I'd still be on the range (firearm and/or archery) and building cars, motorcycles and airplanes. Real ones, to clarify just for you.
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04-07-2013 04:08 PM  6 years ago
fmrsdtr

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HeliNutAndy, AMA does not control or really have any kind of responsibility with the "quality" of what is sold through advertisers, hobby stores/shops, manufacturers, or distributors; it's such a vast array of aircraft and products that there is no way we'd be able to do so. However, we do advocate through them the safety aspects of our hobby and aircraft and use them to promote and support AMA and our hobby as a whole. If you have issues with certain brands or companies and the quality of their products, we suggest that you contact them or even the Better Business Bureau.~Jenni Alderman, AMA # 640475
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04-07-2013 04:33 PM  6 years ago
fmrsdtr

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HeliMan Dave,

We rely on AMA members like you to write articles for Model Aviation; if you'd like to see more heli coverage about a certain subject, why not write one and submit it? The hard part is that we have a strict page count we have to adhere to right now, and so many aspects of the hobby to cover. It makes it tough to be able to put in what everyone wants to see.

Think of it this way. Helicopters are the only segment of the hobby that get one full issue as coverage year in and year out, where all feature articles are rotor related. Helis are the only segment that has a column in every single issue. Yes, we cover a lot of RC airplanes, but they are the largest segment of the hobby. RC helicopters are only an interest of approximately 6% of AMA members (per both surveys and the check boxes on AMA membership renewals and applications).
~Jenni Alderman, AMA # 640475
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04-07-2013 04:35 PM  6 years ago
Chucky777

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completed mine.
Stubbs, You are the reason the AMA is around.

HelinutAndy, You say you do not need the insurance were you fly. Wait tell the day you go off somewhere else to fly and you crash into someone property, or worse someone. Then say you don't need them. Unless you are a super-rich. Go pay that $100,000 claim against you.

I was born into this hobby. My dad flew back in the 50's and now I am turning 50. Dad has past. But I seen how the hobby has grown from our single channel pulse radios to the multi-channel radios we have today. and yes I have crashed a few planes back when we shared the channels with the CBers. Then we got the few channels on 72Mhz and the crashes stop due to interference. but was limited to only a few channels. The AMA brought out narrow band radios to get us up to 50 Channels. It was only in the past few years that we went to 2.4 that really open the hobby up to allow more pilots to fly at the same time. I bet Stubbs never heard of RADIO IMPOUND at any events. Having to wait for your frequency to open. Or even heard of dial a crash radios.

In my opinion, if not for the AMA the government would have put a stop to us have fun with our hobby.

Charlie
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04-07-2013 04:54 PM  6 years ago
stubbs

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Stubbs, You are the reason the AMA is around.
Explain yourself. If you are going to claim that I'm an "unsafe flyer" or something, then provide solid evidence.
I bet Stubbs never heard of RADIO IMPOUND at any events.
Looky here "sport", I've been flying R/C since the early '80s and know very well what an event radio impound, club freq/channel TX pin control board, etc is. All I said was ops within the 2.4Ghz band that we enjoy today would exist regardless of the AMA because of FCC mandated COLLISION AVOIDANCE for every device operating in the band. I suggest you do some homework and look it up because it sure sounds like you need some spread spectrum schoolin'.
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04-07-2013 07:19 PM  6 years ago
fmrsdtr

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AMA insurance covers much more than accidents and injuries. It can also help cover you in certain instances of fire, theft, and vandalism: http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/500-a.pdf
http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/500-o.pdf
~Jenni Alderman, AMA # 640475
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04-07-2013 08:18 PM  6 years ago
stubbs

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Yeah, but isn't that coverage AFTER your homeowner's/renter's policy runs out? I, like a great many others, have enough coverage for fire, theft, etc that the AMA probably wouldn't even come into play.
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04-07-2013 08:27 PM  6 years ago
fmrsdtr

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Correct, but general liability/accident and injury are the same: in "excess" of homeowners or renters insurance. If you ever have any questions about insurance or what it covers or when, Ilona Maine in Safety Member Benefits can easily answer them more in depth than I ever could.~Jenni Alderman, AMA # 640475
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04-07-2013 09:26 PM  6 years ago
HeliMan Dave

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Jenni, while it would be great to write and submit articles for MA, I just don't have the time. I'm lucky to get out a few hours a week to fly.

I do look forward to more regular heli coverage however.

Maybe I'll see you at IRCHA.
HeliMan Dave,
We rely on AMA members like you to write articles for Model Aviation; if you'd like to see more heli coverage about a certain subject, why not write one and submit it? The hard part is that we have a strict page count we have to adhere to right now, and so many aspects of the hobby to cover. It makes it tough to be able to put in what everyone wants to see.
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04-07-2013 09:30 PM  6 years ago
fmrsdtr

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Thanks, HeliMan Dave! If you ever know of anyone who might have ideas or want to write an article for us, please pass on the information! We're always looking for talented writers and we do compensate for published articles...just a little incentive!

I'll definitely be at IRCHA...with camera in tow!
~Jenni Alderman, AMA # 640475
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