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04-01-2013 07:49 PM  6 years ago
stang281472

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Correct. So leaves me wondering if anyone has had a failure on castle running vbar gov. Would seem better for esc in many ways which in turn should make it more reliable.
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04-01-2013 08:02 PM  6 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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When the Talon series hit there were a couple but unsure if the VBAR gov was in use. The CC ESCs have too many parameters to adjust. IMO and not enough "learning". With KONTRONIK you set the end points, and turn on the gov mode and maybe a special mode and that is it. Three things max, 5 minutes, it learns the rest and optimizes the ESC for that particular motor. Change motors and no need to reset the ESC either, it relearns that as well.
Hawk ESCs have 3 things to set too.....I see a pattern
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04-01-2013 08:07 PM  6 years ago
BladeStrikes

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What would you say is too hot?Heres my log (6 flights) from yesterday and IMO,my ESC doesn't run hot at all and im not easy on it.

The ONLY thing I need to change is my power wires going from the ESC to lipos so the ripple drops..Its not bad at all where its at but will go down when I shorten the wires..
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04-01-2013 08:36 PM  6 years ago
honda411

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you can use cap packs or whatever they are also right? To minimize the ripple?

And everyones answers are right. Yes maybe i should have upgraded before this happened. I just got stuck in that mind set that its been working for a long time no issues (except that overheating recently) and figured it would be okay.
The 120 is small for it yes.
I will still send into castle just to see if they may honor it at all. They can pull any info from the esc data so i wont lie to them about it. But they may give me a percentage off for a new 160 or something.
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04-01-2013 08:37 PM  6 years ago
stang281472

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What motor are you running? I dont think 131 is too hot on a 90+ degree day. What was ambient temp?
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04-01-2013 08:39 PM  6 years ago
stang281472

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Peaking 2500 watts does not appear to be a powerful motor. Thats power of a 600 class motor honestly. In that case 131 is running hot.
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04-01-2013 08:52 PM  6 years ago
stang281472

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The CC ESCs have too many parameters to adjust. IMO and not enough "learning". With KONTRONIK you set the end points, and turn on the gov mode and maybe a special mode and that is it.
The spec sheet on whatever motor you run tells you what you need to know for settings. Saying there are this amount of people that dont know how to set a castle esc is kinda insulting honestly. If only newbs were having failures then I would agree with you. They are failing on very experienced people as well with correct settings. Granted Kontronik is cake but YGE has program card with more options than castle and they arent failing on daily basis so no I dont see "pattern". I see another excuse for failures that shouldnt be happening.
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04-01-2013 09:43 PM  6 years ago
BladeStrikes

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Peaking 2500 watts does not appear to be a powerful motor. Thats power of a 600 class motor honestly. In that case 131 is running hot.
Yes,its a CC 80HV in my 600EFL Pro...131F isn't close to hot as the ESC can run over 200F,shut down is 250F if I remember right..I'll run this ESC all day long around 180F and not worry about it..If you aren't seeing 100 to 150 degree temps,you clearly aren't pushing the heli hard..
BTW,
I have MANY screen shots from my 700E,12S 600E,550 and 6S 600E..
My 6S 600E ran around 180 to 200 degrees with over 500 flights on it,not a issue...
laughingstill
The CC ESCs have too many parameters to adjust. IMO and not enough "learning".
With the Castle,you set it up ONCE and doesn't take 5mins to set it up then you NEVER touch it again so how does that takes away from learning?Please say your joking man ?
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04-01-2013 09:50 PM  6 years ago
JKos

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BladeStrikes,
He means the ESC learns. I don't understand why any ESCs on the market today are not self-configuring/optimizing with respect to timing and switching frequency. The techniques to do so have been around for a number of years.

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04-01-2013 09:50 PM  6 years ago
McKrackin

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With the Castle,you set it up ONCE and doesn't take 5mins to set it up then you NEVER touch it again so please explain how that takes away from learning?How does NEVER having to mess with the setting effect learning ?Come on with the brand fan comments because thats all it is..
Ive never seen someone go as low as this haha..I can't lean how to fly because it took 5 mins to setup the ESC lmao,really Ron..Please say your joking man
He never said anything about YOU learning anything.

He said Kontronic ESCs learn the system they're hooked into.
I literally never use the word literally right.
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04-01-2013 09:53 PM  6 years ago
McKrackin

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nm....I literally never use the word literally right.
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04-01-2013 09:55 PM  6 years ago
icanfly

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Is the canopy close to the fan when mounted?
Your temps fine without the canopy/ or esc mounted elsewhere on the chassis?

You should know that your canopy creates an air pocket, trap, in which the fan is recirculating hot air. Not bad if you have a vent hole in the canopy close to the nose and or lots of room between the esc/fan and the canopy. That's a small cutout on the bottom of your canopy.

On your heli I see the motor is also shrouded by the canopy and will be part of the heat build up problem.

Air will actually pull back inside the canopy when the heli's in forward motion. No biggy, lots of guys just move the esc where it's not shrouded by the canopy.

You could ventilate the canopy with some holes above the esc if it isn't an issue (expensive canopy), down wash will help with the circulation.

If you are using a low rpm setting you should know that bl motors and esc's heat up a lot more when running below about 75 percent under load.

Just a theory.

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04-01-2013 09:56 PM  6 years ago
stang281472

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Yes,its a CC 80HV in my 600EFL Pro...131F isn't close to hot as the ESC can run over 200F,shut down is 250F if I remember right..I'll run this ESC all day long around 180F and not worry about it..If you aren't seeing 100 to 150 degree temps,you clearly aren't pushing the heli hard..
BTW,
I have MANY screen shots from my 700E,12S 600E,550 and 6S 600E..
My 6S 600E ran around 180 to 200 degrees with over 500 flights on it,not a issue...
My castles have all run temps you are claiming. Trying to say I am not flying hard enough is laughable. People are saying that heat is killing the castles and you just proved it. My jive would run 5 - 10 degrees over ambient in your machine. My peak watts on my castle log is 6800-8000 watts on average. My 120 hit 235 internal temp on a 90 degree day with same motor and heli that my jive runs 95 degrees on a 90 degree day.

Basing flying level on esc temp is getting a little desperate no?
So mine hit 235 degrees so I fly harder than you?
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04-01-2013 09:58 PM  6 years ago
BladeStrikes

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honda411
you can use cap packs or whatever they are also right? To minimize the ripple?
And everyones answers are right. Yes maybe i should have upgraded before this happened. I just got stuck in that mind set that its been working for a long time no issues (except that overheating recently) and figured it would be okay.
The 120 is small for it yes.
I will still send into castle just to see if they may honor it at all. They can pull any info from the esc data so i wont lie to them about it. But they may give me a percentage off for a new 160 or something
The ripple will go down alot once I remove half of the wiring,I really have that much lol..
Again man im sorry to see this but whenever the ESC shuts down like that and does it a few times,something isn't right..
That ESC will work perfect but really depends on hard you fly it..Wish you had some logs to post when it shut down and screen shots of your settings..I would still go with a CC 160HV but the 120HV shouldn't heat up like that and shut down..Setting play a HUGE roll in ESC/motor temps and if I wanted to,I could fry mine by turning 2 settings up..
When you send it in,see if you can pay the differnce and upgrade to the 160HV..Im sure they will do it..
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04-01-2013 10:03 PM  6 years ago
BladeStrikes

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JKos,
Ok,I understand now..Im thinking what the heck LOL..

stang281472,
Your reading my post the wrong way.I thought you ment they should all run under 100F at all times...
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04-01-2013 10:12 PM  6 years ago
McKrackin

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Your reading my post the wrong way.I thought you ment they should all run under 100F at all times...
Actually it's you reading his posts wrong...and Rons

Go Castle! lol....unsub...
I literally never use the word literally right.
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04-01-2013 10:48 PM  6 years ago
honda411

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Bladestikes:
Thanks man. I will get it out hopefully soon.
It was bound to happen and yes, i can take the blame for it. I changed the title a bit so it didnt seem like it was a castle problem. I still stand by castle due to their customer service.
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04-01-2013 11:08 PM  6 years ago
stang281472

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Your reading my post the wrong way.I thought you ment they should all run under 100F at all times...
No not at all. Just stating the difference in temps between castle and kontronik on same setup.
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04-02-2013 03:02 AM  6 years ago
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Do these ESC's have UL or CE ratings? I can't think of any consumer electronics device on the market today where bursting into flames is an acceptable mode of failure. Can you imagine if your TV or your cell phone or your laptop were to burst into flames? How can Castle get away with this kind of faulty engineering for so long? Look at the OP's helicopter. It is scorched.Avant RC
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04-02-2013 04:31 AM  6 years ago
honda411

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Justin:
Your right. Even with a user failure, it still should not burst onto flames. Nothing should.
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