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04-04-2013 12:28 PM  6 years ago
SSN Pru

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Yamaha informed the dealer it was not covered under warranty as i had purchased it from Amazon
I'm no lawyer but what does the point of purchase have to do with a manufacturers warranty? That would appear to violate some consumer protection law.
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04-04-2013 01:34 PM  6 years ago
stang281472

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Two Honda dealers pulled same crap with me on a 2 WEEK old machine, place I bought it from and then other dealer clearly didnt want to help because I didnt buy it from him. Will say thats BS for any brand and that dealer should be getting bad posts about it on internet so people know to avoid it.

Congrats you found the single compliant about a Yamaha generator on the internet. I saw that before I bought mine. Anything can have A failure no matter what brand. Didnt deter me in the least. Got anything else?
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04-04-2013 01:39 PM  6 years ago
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Oh and speaking of Amazon have a look at the ratings for Yamaha and Honda. Oh wait you cant see Honda anymore because they had 2 1/2 stars so now they dont show any user reviews! Cute tactic. 4 1/2 stars for Yamaha, go figure
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04-04-2013 01:44 PM  6 years ago
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I'm no lawyer but what does the point of purchase have to do with a manufacturers warranty? That would appear to violate some consumer protection law.
I wonder if it was because its doubtful that Amazon is an authorized dealer for either brand? I know alot of brands that dont warranty something if not purchased from an authorized dealer.

In the event I need repair on my Yamaha I will absolutely post how it goes down with dealer. I bought it from wisessales and they are authorized dealer.
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04-04-2013 01:58 PM  6 years ago
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Fact: If you install a tri-fuel kit on a Honda generator, Honda will void the warranty. If you install a tri-fuel kit on a Yamaha generator, Yamaha will honor the warranty.

Another bit of info to consider between the two.
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04-04-2013 05:14 PM  6 years ago
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It doesn't appear to me that the plastic is hard or engineered correctly inside that motor. It looks cheap. The the construction of that motor says to me "light duty" "ocasional use" and cheap. It looks like SEflyer (Kevin)was dead on when he said the EU2000I is meant as an occasional use genny.

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04-05-2013 02:27 AM  6 years ago
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the bore on both EU series generators is hard anodized only, it is not a plated cylinder bore which would have made it quite a bit more durable, the smoking engine problems are usually associated with worn cylinder bores due to lack of maint. the occasional use statement is very accurate. the plastic cam seems to typically last at least as long as the bore.

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04-05-2013 02:34 AM  6 years ago
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= junkWolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep
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04-05-2013 02:56 AM  6 years ago
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The Honda has a lot of positive reviews on Wisesales, so has the Yamaha.Life is meaningful flying helis.
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04-05-2013 12:45 PM  6 years ago
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Junk is a bit too much. Its just not heavy duty and not forgiving of those who neglect maintenance.Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!
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04-05-2013 01:34 PM  6 years ago
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Aluminum cylinder walls and heat is a no-no. Huge design mistake that turns me off big time. Like I said, remember the Chevy Vega. Disaster when overheated. Name another motor that has aluminum cylinder walls that was durable. You will notice most small IC engines are labeled commercial or industrial when they include a steel cylinder liner. Why is that?Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep
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04-05-2013 04:35 PM  6 years ago
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the aluminum bore works fine when the generator is used as it is meant to be used. it is hard anodized and it quite durable but just does not have service life of a cast iron or Nikasil bore. Honda does not advertise it as a commercial generator and it is not intended as so. I have a pair of EU1000's that are happily trucking along many years since there purchase. if you want commercial quality and durability Honda make that to, just not in the ultra quiet series and it costs more. I have done service work on a EB12D Honda generator with 19,000 hours on it, can't get much more durable than that.

the fact of the matter is it is just not meant to run all day everyday and be expected to live. the Yamaha did not exist when I got my Hondas and just because it may use superior materials does not mean superior quality. Yamaha makes fine machines as well but I have very little first hand knowledge of there durability in the long run.

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04-05-2013 04:53 PM  6 years ago
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superior materials does not mean superior quality
In this case I disagree.

However with proper maintenance I do believe the Honda would still have long happy life if careful of high heat scenarios.
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04-05-2013 04:59 PM  6 years ago
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And no I dont mean changing oil every 15-20 hours like someone suggested. I agree with Acedude the regular 100 hour schedule is fine just use quality oil and dont exceed 100 hours on oil change.
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04-05-2013 05:07 PM  6 years ago
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However this would make me VERY nervous having $1000 riding on this. Would keep close eye on its condition as I believe you can see it through oil fill hole during oil changes.
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04-05-2013 05:53 PM  6 years ago
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I consider our charging needs to be light duty with these generators. I had a yam my 1000 and loved the little thing. Bought a HOnda 2k because of the deal I found and trade in that was allowed (didn't trade the Yammy 1K, but had store credit for something else).

My Honda cost me $650 new after adjustments. Looked hard at another Yamaha.

With my new iCharger 4010Duo I can charge in 10-15 minutes. Not what I would call heavy use, and this is only a few times per week, not all weekend or each day.
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04-05-2013 06:22 PM  6 years ago
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You guys make me feel so damn happy I bought the 2000W Champion,did alot of reading and no plastic ..Its only for hobby use and will max my 1000W iCharger out all day long with room for other things .
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04-05-2013 06:41 PM  6 years ago
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the complex geometry of that oil slinger dictated the plastic design. It simply would be too expensive to machine that. They could have changed the overall design to accomodate a yamaha crankrod style slinger but it might have impacted other aspects of the design.Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!
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04-05-2013 07:02 PM  6 years ago
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Dave let me charge a pair of 5300's on his $89 Harbor Freight 2-stroker a.k.a. "ol' smokey"

With my Hyperion Duo3 set to 8.5A on each side hooked to a 24V eFuel (way cool PS btw) that generator handled it just fine. the eFuel showed it was pulling close to 20A as I remember. You could hear smokey pulling a bit but it didn't go to full throttle as I heard it and it did not shut down.

So a cheap way to go for high power charging? Two H.F. $89 generators hooked to two computer server power supplies in tandem, supplying easily 15A each. 30A of charging - You could do that for less than $300.

Red vs. Blue debate is starting to smell like a democrats vs. republicans argument
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04-05-2013 07:11 PM  6 years ago
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Red vs. Blue debate is just for Red vs. Blue.

Nothing wrong with going with a more economical version. Most are usually pretty noisy though.
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