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04-03-2013 12:41 PM  6 years ago
hootowl

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The 2 year warranty was up not long ago so I took it back for a new one..
Can you do that with everything there?
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04-03-2013 12:57 PM  6 years ago
Ace Dude

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all the generators at our field are Honda's. He is tired of seeing Red.
There's a reason why they're all red. You can't ignore the facts....
  
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04-03-2013 01:07 PM  6 years ago
hootowl

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The facts is.... it's sheep mentality Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep
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04-03-2013 01:14 PM  6 years ago
VANHELI

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couple of the $89 Harbor Freight 2 stroke gen's showed up at our field. They do work to charge stuff. I don't know what load they'd get to before shutting down but you could charge with it. I seem to remember getting to about 5A on a 6S pack, maybe
...still using mine. I have had it for 3 years now. I can charge at 15A. That is 7.5A per port on my hyperion duo. I always use a 50 foot extension cord and put it down wind. It is surprisingly quiet for what it is. The down side of it is that it stinks and having to mix the gas.

I am planning on something new this year. I want to get 15A per port on my charger. Looking at the ryobi and the yamaha. Really dont want to spend a grand a generator tho!
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04-03-2013 01:43 PM  6 years ago
stang281472

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The facts is.... it's sheep mentality
Exactly right. At Ircha this past year would say it was a 50/50 blue and red split. Most people that bought Honda were just following without knowing much about the product. Honestly thats what I did. I didnt know about plastic engine parts when I bought mine. I found out when I was researching the problem I was having. Had I known that before buying I would not even have considered buying it. Most people are not aware that there is plastic parts inside those engines. Now that word is out people are second guessing.

Plastic oil splasher? What happens to plastic when its cold out? Becomes brittle. What happens to oil when its cold out? Gets really thick. Great idea to have brittle plastic getting smacked into thick oil on a critical part that when it breaks you wont know till engine is siezed.

To do recommended 400 hour combustion chamber cleaning the engine case has to be split because its doesnt have a seperate cylinder head like a conventional engine. How much does that service cost Ace?
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04-03-2013 01:45 PM  6 years ago
Ace Dude

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The facts is.... it's sheep mentality
Ignoring the facts...that's a donkey mentality
  
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04-03-2013 01:53 PM  6 years ago
hootowl

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Ohhhhhhhh donk me

Red = sheep
Blue = donkey
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04-03-2013 01:59 PM  6 years ago
stang281472

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The facts are plastic parts in an air cooled engine that will see high usage in high heat conditions is NOT a good design.

Fact is the GX100 engine has 2 versions one of which was designed for heavy use and DOES NOT have plastic parts and fact is alot of people mistakenly think THAT is the engine they have in the EU2000 when it is not.

Red = designed for light infrequent use
Blue = designed for heavy use
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04-03-2013 02:04 PM  6 years ago
Ace Dude

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it was a 50/50 blue and red split.
Most people that bought Honda were just following without knowing much about the product.
So the other 50% (which I highly doubt there was close to 50% blue, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt) didn't follow anyone?

This stuff you guys are spewing is getting hilarious now. Seems like team blue is brainwashed more than I imagined.
Plastic oil splasher? What happens to plastic when its cold out? Becomes brittle. What happens to oil when its cold out? Gets really thick. Great idea to have brittle plastic getting smacked into thick oil on a critical part that when it breaks you wont know till engine is siezed.
Again, out of tens of thousands of Honda generators in use in the field how many have experienced this specific issue? If they oil is getting as thick you say you're going to have much bigger issues.

You guys can spread as much FUD as you want. I did all my research before my purchase. I knew all the differences, and I made my decision to go with the Honda. I'm happy with my purchase decision and wouldn't hesitate to purchase another one.
  
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04-03-2013 02:09 PM  6 years ago
hootowl

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I know one thing.... if you put one Yamaha next to another, it just might melt a hole in the other's housing if the exhaust is close. Don't ask me how I know.Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep
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04-03-2013 02:22 PM  6 years ago
stang281472

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So the other 50% (which I highly doubt there was close to 50% blue, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt) didn't follow anyone?
I took notice because I was honestly expecting mostly red like years prior and was actually surprised by it honestly being about 50/50 split this year. Quite a few vendors were using Yamaha also which I had not seen in the past.

Its threads like this where differences are really discussed by people who believe in both brands that let people pick red or blue for themselves. Honda gens have been around longer so most will blindly follow just because they saw one and liked how quiet it was. Now that people are learning more about the Yamaha gens they are popping up all over.

ACE we are both very happy with the ones we chose and fact is most will be happy with either one as both will fit the hobby need perfectly.
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04-03-2013 02:30 PM  6 years ago
stang281472

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I know one thing.... if you put one Yamaha next to another, it just might melt a hole in the other's housing if the exhaust is close. Don't ask me how I know.
Thats because heat melts plastic I kid I kid couldnt resist LOL
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04-03-2013 03:00 PM  6 years ago
Ace Dude

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Its threads like this where differences are really discussed by people who believe in both brands that let people pick red or blue for themselves. Honda gens have been around longer so most will blindly follow just because they saw one and liked how quiet it was. Now that people are learning more about the Yamaha gens they are popping up all over.
It's one thing to discuss the differences. It's another thing to spread baseless FUD.

Case in point:
Plastic oil splasher? What happens to plastic when its cold out? Becomes brittle. What happens to oil when its cold out? Gets really thick. Great idea to have brittle plastic getting smacked into thick oil on a critical part that when it breaks you wont know till engine is siezed.
Again, out of tens of thousands of Honda generators in use in the field how many have experienced this specific issue? If they oil is getting as thick you say you're going to have much bigger issues.
  
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04-03-2013 03:04 PM  6 years ago
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What happens to plastic when its cold out? Becomes brittle.
You facts are wrong, Stang.

there are many plastics in existence today with performance that meets or exceeds that of metals typically used in the same application. For instance, there are plastic plain bearings starting to be used where bronze was used for ages because it has better performance. Not all plastics are "brittle" too. Not all plastic is PVC!
Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!
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04-03-2013 03:12 PM  6 years ago
Ace Dude

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Don't tell him the bearing in his nitro engine may have a plastic retainer.  
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04-03-2013 03:23 PM  6 years ago
stang281472

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You facts are wrong, Stang.
there are many plastics in existence today with performance that meets or exceeds that of metals typically used in the same application. For instance, there are plastic plain bearings starting to be used where bronze was used for ages because it has better performance. Not all plastics are "brittle" too. Not all plastic is PVC!
Most plastics do get brittle in cold. Not just PVC. That said I will not disagree that some plastics are/can be designed to not be. So thats fine and lets assume that parts will be OK in cold and not become brittle. For me I dont care I dont want plastic inside of an air cooled engine. If we were talking water cooled where temps can be maintained under different loads I would have much less problem with it. Its the possibility of running over heat range part was designed for in an aircooled engine that concerns me. I dont charge at low amps and chug along in econo mode all day.

As for these plastic bearings you speak of, any examples of this? Are they used in high heat situations? Not being sarcastic, honestly curious as I have not seen these.
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04-03-2013 03:27 PM  6 years ago
stang281472

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Don't tell him the bearing in his nitro engine may have a plastic retainer.
I am well aware Nitro engines have a plastic bearing retainer in alot of cases. I also am aware that the bearing is typically seeing temps under 200 degrees and the plastic retainer is not a stressed part like say a camshaft with one lobe running 2 valves on it. I am sure you know that too
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04-03-2013 05:04 PM  6 years ago
hootowl

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Big reason for the plastic ball retainers is to avoid carnage when the bearing fails.

Heck, new commercial airplanes fuselages and the V-22 Osprey fuselage is made out of plastic now.
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04-03-2013 05:23 PM  6 years ago
kris L

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Big reason for the plastic ball retainers is to avoid carnage when the bearing fails.
So I guess Honda is trying to avoid the carnage too when their engine fails.

Kris
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04-03-2013 05:43 PM  6 years ago
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Fact is the GX100 engine has 2 versions one of which was designed for heavy use and DOES NOT have plastic parts and fact is alot of people mistakenly think THAT is the engine they have in the EU2000 when it is not.
There is more than one Honda engine available?
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