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04-02-2013 12:19 AM  6 years ago
stang281472

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And it should never exceed 1600 watts continuous just like the Honda. They are BOTH rated at 1600 watts continuous. 30 minutes in a "surge range" is continuous enough regardless of your cute dictionary reference which once again is BAD for inverter.

If you dont mind $600 repair when inverter burns up, go right ahead and test out the manuals claim. Bet they wont cover it under warranty when is fails.
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04-02-2013 12:20 AM  6 years ago
kris L

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The Honda engine is larger because it can provide 2.0 kVA output for 30 minutes. Try that with the Yamaha
Acedude- The Yamaha will do this. 2kVA is 1600 watts. The Yamaha maximum output is 2000 watts which equals 2.5kVA and it won't have a melted cam shaft from the result of running it at that level.

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04-02-2013 12:28 AM  6 years ago
BobOD

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it can provide 2.0 kVA output for 30 minutes.
They are playing word games Ace. The manual does NOT say you can run 2.0 kvA for 30 min.

It says, "Limit operation requiring maximum power to 30 minutes.
Maximum power is: 2.0 kVA
For continuous operation, do not exceed the rated power.
Rated power is: 1.6 kVA"

This means, if you have intermittent loads up to 2.0 kVA, you should not run it for more than 30 minutes.

The Honda2000 and Yamaha2000 are rated the same.
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04-02-2013 12:34 AM  6 years ago
kris L

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My EU2000i can just start my gas clothes dryer.
Were there wet clothes in this dryer?

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04-02-2013 12:36 AM  6 years ago
kris L

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For continuous operation, do not exceed the rated power.
Rated power is: 1.6 kVA"
1.6kVA = 1280 watts. The Yamaha is rated at 1600.

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04-02-2013 12:54 AM  6 years ago
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Funny, a few years ago the Honda was the only Inverter generator out there so it was an easy choice. Now almost everyone is making one. I would believe computer use drove this more than the R/C industry but we proabably were a factor as the 2000W inverter genny is our main target genny to have.
Just ordered a refurbished genny for the half of new price and a third of the Honda.
I have a 2000W sportsman genny I bought from Tractor Supply and with the help of a friend got the carb tuned to put out the 2000W max and run my 6S charging. Problem, Noise!
I think the noise to Dollar factor is what we will be talking about in the future.
RV users a huge sales group for the generator industry. These sales are driving the inception of so many new inverter generators.
There are alot more available than we talk about, because we just havn't heard about them yet.
Propane as a fuel has always been an option and now kits are available for the Honda EUI2000.
Hopefully many manufactures will follow up with kits for other gennys too.
This year your going to find a shake down of many inverter gennies in the hobby as so many different ones are available.
I didn't buy a Mainstream genny and we will se how it goes.
I know it will do the job I'll ask of it, will the sound level be acceptable. All my research saws it will. Now I am waiting on the postman.
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04-02-2013 12:56 AM  6 years ago
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For those interested in really doing their homework, the June 2012 issue of QST Magazine reviewed the Champion, Generac, Honda, and Yamaha.

Although I've had my EU2000i since before the review it confirms my purchase decision.
  
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04-02-2013 12:59 AM  6 years ago
hootowl

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I was thinking for loud gens you could build a box out of 1-3/4 celotex foam board. Make cuts in the walls so they interlock and you can break it down for travel. Sit it over the gen to send the noise up.Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep
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04-02-2013 01:09 AM  6 years ago
MichiganFlyer

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What about? http://www.homedepot.com/p/Ryobi-22...I2200/203617901

And there are many more.

Euro models also,
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04-02-2013 01:16 AM  6 years ago
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1.6kVA = 1280 watts. The Yamaha is rated at 1600.
How are you choosing the power factor?
1.6 kVA = 1600 W for a resistive load. I'm pretty sure both manufacturers are basing their ratings the same...resistive.
They are both rated the same.

What I would like to see regarding the yamaha is it's ability to handle starting a heavy inductive load. My "knockoff" would start a standard refrigerator but would not start my bigger, extra capacity one. The Honda is known to be king in starting big inductive loads. After that, the continuous rating is moot because once started, the running power is usually much lower. Starting ability is more important to me. If it can't start something, you're kinda done right?

And a little FYI, the inverter in mine eventually fried so I stuck a Honda inverter in it and guess what, it starts my big fridge now. Even though it has the smaller engine. So, I don't think it's the engine...it's the inverter technology.
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04-02-2013 01:23 AM  6 years ago
stang281472

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For those interested in really doing their homework, the June 2012 issue of QST Magazine reviewed the Champion, Generac, Honda, and Yamaha.

Although I've had my EU2000i since before the review it confirms my purchase decision
And after owning the crappy Honda 2000 I had (2 others locally are having same smoking issue by the way, both newer units while older ones friends have seem to not have that issue so not sure if Honda skimped on something recently to save money) I know right I made right decision ditching it and going Yamaha.

I had generac 2000 before Honda and even that had no issues just was louder.
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04-02-2013 01:27 AM  6 years ago
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Ace, you into Amateur Radio?Team POP Secret
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04-02-2013 01:34 AM  6 years ago
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Ace, you into Amateur Radio?
I've had my ticket for a little over 20 years. Not very active on HF. Mostly 2m/440 and have been playing with DSTAR in recent years. Was very active flying on 6m until our radios went 2.4GHz. You have your ticket?
  
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04-02-2013 01:35 AM  6 years ago
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BTW, If you're an ARRL member you can view the article on-line.  
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04-02-2013 01:37 AM  6 years ago
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And after owning the crappy Honda 2000
Easy there big fella. I guess we all know that the standard is set by the Hondas and Yamaha(Honda paved the road for everybody else)

Poor Honda don't get no respect?
Having said my 1/2 cent, I do have 2 Honda 2000i without one sliver of problems.
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04-02-2013 01:48 AM  6 years ago
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What is the cause of the smoking in most cases?Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep
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04-02-2013 01:52 AM  6 years ago
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Easy there big fella. I guess we all know that the standard is set by the Hondas and Yamaha(Honda paved the road for everybody else)

Poor Honda don't get no respect?
Having said my 1/2 cent, I do have 2 Honda 2000i without one sliver of problems.
quote me correctly. I said:
after owning the crappy Honda 2000 I had (2 others locally are having same smoking issue by the way, both newer units while older ones friends have seem to not have that issue so not sure if Honda skimped on something recently to save money)
Obviously there are plenty that are working fine out there. That was the reason I bought the Honda in first place but after having the problems I had and then researching the Yamaha and learning the differences in engine and features I would have went Yamaha from the start.
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04-02-2013 02:01 AM  6 years ago
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The guy I sold it to was shown the smoking before buying and I explained what dealers told me. He bought it anyway because of price I let it go for and gave him my receipt from purchase so he would have full warranty since unit was literally 3 weeks old. It got so bad it was shutting down from oil level dropping because it wouldnt stop smoking. He said he would top off oil and 30 min later would shut down from oil level being low again. He finally found a dealer that repaired it under warranty and they said it was bad intake valve seal and they replaced ring on piston as well. He got it back and it was good so now he sold it for more money and bought a Yamaha 2400.

Waiting to see how the other 2 I have seen locally end of last season make out this season with theirs. Hopefully they dont have same issue.
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04-02-2013 02:10 AM  6 years ago
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04-02-2013 02:11 AM  6 years ago
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What is the cause of the smoking in most cases?
Oil getting into the cylinder..Could of been a bolt that wasn't tight,bad seal or bad gasket but was for sure getting oil in the cylinder..

EDITED:: Oops,didn't read all of Stang's post...
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