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03-09-2013 09:10 AM  5 years agoPost 21
OICU812

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Only thing is guys to note about combo and just want to be honest here.. If your looking to do hard 3d or want headspeed in that 2300-2500 range buy a 15 tooth pinion as well. As you noted in video Kyle was running a 16tooth. But that's crazy high but hey you can be crazy to but yea 15-16 tops where it's at for ballistic stuff. I've emailed about this but you guys should know this for now IMO.

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03-09-2013 09:40 AM  5 years agoPost 22
THX1138

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Another thing to remember guys, Mikado is not trying to re-invent the wheel here. This is just a refinement on an already proven airframe. There is a reason the Logo 500/600 platform has been relatively unchanged... it doesn't need to. These upgrades come from the need to support stronger, torquier motors...

Lou

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03-09-2013 10:24 AM  5 years agoPost 23
ToddM

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So is Mikado saying that the current hardware/mechanics aren't solid enough to handle the 4025-1100 for the long term so owners should consider upgrading?






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03-09-2013 09:16 PM  5 years agoPost 24
Ronald Thomas

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Not at all, that has been a proven setup for the 500 since it came out.

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03-10-2013 12:53 AM  5 years agoPost 25
SGrim80

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I think they are just future-proofing it!

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03-13-2013 09:32 PM  5 years agoPost 26
Andy from Sandy

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Only thing is guys to note about combo and just want to be honest here. If your looking to do hard 3d or want headspeed in that 2300-2500 range buy a 15 tooth pinion as well.
I suspect the 90Amp YGE is not going to be enough either.

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03-13-2013 09:53 PM  5 years agoPost 27
Wynn1427

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These upgrades come from the need to support stronger, torquier motors...
I feel that its more of the market hype that one needs to run 2500rpm on a 550 machine. Any recent makers come out a run a low headspeed? With a few bolt-on mods just goes to show how resilient this 500/600 logo frame layout is.

Wynn

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03-13-2013 11:27 PM  5 years agoPost 28
OICU812

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I ran my Logo 500s with 553mm mains at 2200-2400 tops and they were happy and performance was fantastic. It's a light machine and more really is not needed.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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03-15-2013 08:03 AM  5 years agoPost 29
BobOD

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It's more a matter of taste. Higher HS equates to higher speed, agility and power for the price of efficiency. Very simple really.
I happen to consider 2500 quite slow for a 550, but I understand that's not the same for all.

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03-15-2013 09:05 AM  5 years agoPost 30
OICU812

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2500 headspeed low for a 550mm bladed machine???? WOW lol!!!

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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03-15-2013 10:35 AM  5 years agoPost 31
johnnie eagle

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HS
I ran my 500se at 1950 to 2100 and it performed every maneuvers perfectly and I got 6 plus mins on a 5000 Mah 6s pack and it was silky smooth just Did not have outrageous pop.

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03-15-2013 11:58 AM  5 years agoPost 32
v58 fuy

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I run my 500se with 603mm mains at around 1900 rpm with good batteries, and run a pitch curve of +100/+55/0/-55/-100 just to give it a slight increase in pop - i get about 6.30 minutes flying time, and wouldn't sell the heli to anyone, cos I love it, does everything I want it to do.

Clearly if people want to run much higher headspeeds, then that is there choice, and life is all about choice - for me the weight of the Logo means I don't need a high headspeed, I still run the vbar settings fairly agile to help with the lower headspeed.

I have found that because the heli is more relaxing to fly, my flying has come on leaps and bounds since getting the Logo.

David

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03-15-2013 01:28 PM  5 years agoPost 33
Ronald Thomas

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2500 is too high for a 550 blades machine to last over time or get more than a 3 minute flight. Unless your name is Kyle Dahl and you are doing a noon time demo at IRCHA, 2500 and above it just totally unrealistic for a 550 blades machine.

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03-15-2013 02:16 PM  5 years agoPost 34
smittylube

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Good comments David and Ron.
2100, 2500- Everyones idea of good or great differs. As long as your having fun that's all that matters in the end. I'm not sure if the included 13t pinion will give me as much pop as I may want so I snagged the 15 pinion while it was available so I might use it if necessary. My opinion recently is I prefer 600 blades over 550 mostly for auto ability or margin not always available to me at least in a 550.

RPM is your friend..................................until you crash

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03-15-2013 08:51 PM  5 years agoPost 35
Gas and Go

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can the pros give some more flight times- I am trying to compare this to a 700 size to determine which one to buy.

also how stable is the 550sx when compared to a 700 size heli- in respect to wind?

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03-15-2013 09:37 PM  5 years agoPost 36
v58 fuy

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The Logo's really work because they have light disc loading compared to many other brands of heli. This means you can get the same sort of performance on a lower headspeed, or increased on the same headspeed.

We used to consider 2000rpm on a 600 bladed machine as being a 3D headspeed, yet my 500se at 1900 is considered by some as tame.

Smittylube, if you like the feel of 600 blades, I wouldn't recommend that 15T pinion - it will really stress the esc and packs.

David

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03-16-2013 06:11 AM  5 years agoPost 37
dahld

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@ Gas and Go,

Your question: "...flight times- I am trying to compare this to a 700 size to determine which one to buy."

If you look at the vid at the beginning of this thread, Kyle starts flying (after introducing the model), at about the 3 minute mark, and the flight ends at the 7:00 minute mark. That's 4 minutes of 2500 head speed hard 3D.

That's about the same flight time Kyle gets with his Logo 700's flown at 2050 doing aggressive 3D. Lower the 550's head speed to a more reasonable 2300 head speed, and you will get longer flights with the 550 using that "reasonable" head speed, than you will with a Logo 700 which is also running at a "reasonable" head speed (2050) (assuming they are both flown exactly the same).

The truth is, set-ups and flight styles determine flight times more than any particular model, or even with different sizes of models.

The Logo 700 being larger and heavier than the Logo 550SX, makes it better in the wind for sure. A Logo 800 is even better in the wind

(-: Dave

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03-16-2013 03:07 PM  5 years agoPost 38
Ace Dude

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Lower the 550's head speed to a more reasonable 2300 head speed, and you will get longer flights with the 550 using that "reasonable" head speed
Thanks for the reasonable recommendation Dave.

  

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03-16-2013 04:46 PM  5 years agoPost 39
flybydanny

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Is that a plastic frame and blade grips?

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03-16-2013 05:17 PM  5 years agoPost 40
Ronald Thomas

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Yep but the Mikado plastic stuff is VERY durable.

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