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02-24-2013 06:15 PM  5 years agoPost 1
Noobyflyer

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Pick and chose will abuse

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02-24-2013 06:27 PM  5 years agoPost 2
shawmcky

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Where in the bible Noob,book of repub

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02-24-2013 07:00 PM  5 years agoPost 3
Phaedrus

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Not for nothing, but nearly all of the Biblical foundations you seem to find to support your views come from the Old Testament, which by definition are NOT the "teachings of Christ" since they pre-date Christ by a long time.

Now the "teachings of Christ" are more typically referring to the New Testament, where you will be very hard pressed to find anything that supports your views.

Can you cite anywhere in the New Testament, you know, the actual teachings of Christ where He advocates for the things you say he does? Specifically banning gay relationships and that abortion is murder.

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02-24-2013 07:12 PM  5 years agoPost 4
Solmanbandit

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Specifically banning gay relationships and that abortion is murder.
By my definition and most, life starts when there is a heartbeat. If you have a heartbeat and you terminate that life, it is murder. "Thou shall not kill" is in the ten commandants. The Bible doesn't call abortion, "abortion" but the Bible does address it.

For gay marriage, when God took a rib from Adam, he did not create Eric, he created Eve to be his partner.

You want direct quotes on gay marriage?

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

There are plenty more, but I believe this says it best.
Can you cite anywhere in the New Testament, you know, the actual teachings of Christ where He advocates for the things you say he does? Specifically banning gay relationships and that abortion is murder.
Why just the new testament? If it is in the bible, it pertains. If you want to get really specific, where does it say in chapter 1 verse 1 about abortion and murder? Cmon, you are picking only the parts that makes you sound better.

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02-24-2013 07:38 PM  5 years agoPost 5
Phaedrus

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Talking about when life starts, the Old Testament is clear that you are not an actual person until at least 1-month old

And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. -- Leviticus 27:6

Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD. -- Numbers 3:15-16

It also advocates that unwed mothers be put to death:

Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt. -- Genesis 38:24

But back on point, Noob specifically stated he was referring to the "Teachings of Christ". No person who has an even passing understanding of the Bible thinks that the Old Testament are the teachings of Christ. That is whole whole point of the New Testament.

As far as Leviticus 20:13 goes, here's some deeper thinking on it:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh3.htm

By the way, unless you are proposing taking a cafeteria approach to the Bible then you have to take it all together, not just the parts that support your social agenda.

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02-24-2013 08:06 PM  5 years agoPost 6
Solmanbandit

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Talking about when life starts, the Old Testament is clear that you are not an actual person until at least 1-month old
"Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying: "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations." (Jeremiah 1:4-5).
Are you sure about the one month rule? It specifically says before you were born, I sanctified you.
No person who has an even passing understanding of the Bible thinks that the Old Testament are the teachings of Christ.
So Jesus never mentioned anything about the ten commandants during his teachings? He never talked about adultery or anything to that effect? Are you really sure that Jesus never taught about the old testament? I think the first one says it all, but there are a few more added.

Source of Authority
When confronted by Satan, Jesus appealed to the Old Testament as a source of authority by stating, "It is written," (Matt. 4:4, 7, 10).

Imperishability
"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished," (NASB, Matt. 5:18).

Unbreakability
"The Scripture cannot be broken," (NASB, Jn. 10:35).

Source of Doctrinal Authority
Jesus appealed to Scripture when correcting false doctrine stating, "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God," (NASB, Matt. 22:29).

Truthfulness
"Your word is truth," (NASB, Jn. 17:17).

Historical Reliability
Jesus affirmed the historical existence of Jonah (Matt. 12:40), Noah (Matt. 24:37-38), and Adam and Eve (Matt. 19:4-6).

Scientific Reliability
Jesus affirmed that God created the world (Mk. 13:19; cf. Matt. 19:4).
Old Testament Canonicity1
Jesus made reference to the Law and Prophets as a unit, "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill," (Matt. 5:17).

Jesus explained the Scriptures, "Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures," (NASB, Luke 24:27).

Jesus referred to the entire Canon by mentioning all the prophets from Abel (from Genesis, the first book and first martyr) to Zechariah (Chronicles, the last book, and the last martyr) (Matt. 23:35).

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02-24-2013 08:09 PM  5 years agoPost 7
Solmanbandit

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By the way, unless you are proposing taking a cafeteria approach to the Bible then you have to take it all together, not just the parts that support your social agenda.
BTW, what social agenda would that be? I am just stating what I feel that you are saying is incorrect and giving you quotes to back it up.

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02-24-2013 09:36 PM  5 years agoPost 8
Dusty1000

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Why just the new testament? If it is in the bible, it pertains. If you want to get really specific, where does it say in chapter 1 verse 1 about abortion and murder? Cmon, you are picking only the parts that makes you sound better.
So does this still pertain...

Deuteronomy 13
12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely,[b] both its people and its livestock. 16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt, 17 and none of the condemned things[c] are to be found in your hands. Then the Lord will turn from his fierce anger, will show you mercy, and will have compassion on you. He will increase your numbers, as he promised on oath to your ancestors— 18 because you obey the Lord your God by keeping all his commands that I am giving you today and doing what is right in his eyes.

Or this one, regarding a woman being a virgin on her wedding night?

Deuteronomy 22
20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.

...or are you only picking the parts you like?

BTW I doubt this thread will remain open for long.

https://rc.runryder.com/t713391p1/

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