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02-20-2013 10:59 PM  5 years agoPost 1
buster1

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600SX question for you guru's out there.
I was thinking of getting into a Logo 700, then thought to maybe go for a 600SX, as I have a 700 ship already.

Question, with the SX bundle, it comes with a Jive 80.
I have no experience with the Jive ESC and was wondering:

-Is this ESC a good choice?
-Are people running a 2S batt with this ESC or external BEC - or does the Jive just have an internal BEC? If does have internal BEC, is it up to snuff?
-Do I need a phase sensoring unit for gov.?
-I also have good 12S 4000 packs - would this be doable with the Jive and and would it fit in the SX - they are Spyder 12S 4000MAh packs.

Any insight would be great.

Thank you,
Jeff

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02-21-2013 12:07 AM  5 years agoPost 2
dahld

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I don't think you'll find too many guys argue against the Jive, other than how much they cost. But the great performance of Jive ESC's is practically legendary. They are hard to beat.

One of the things that makes the Jive so good, is the internal BEC works well, and is robust. For a 600 class heli, it's all you need. The Jive also has a power slave port so you can run a second power cable to the radio/servos, to help with high current draw situations.

The max voltage however is 6.0V (default is 5.6V, and you need a programer to change it up or down), so if you want to run HV servos on a 600 class heli (which is overkill IMO), you'll need to run a 2S battery.

The Jive's internal governor is just about the best there is. The V-Bar's governor has a slight edge, but then you need a phase sensor, and some ESC's (the Jive included), don't play well with the V-Bar's governor. My opinion, on a Logo 600 when using a Jive, just stick with the Jive's internal governor. It's pretty darn good as is.

The Jive handles 12S no problems, and the 80 amp on 12S in a Logo 600 is a fine match. Most all 6S 4000mah packs (and 6S 5000 packs for that matter), will fit in the frames of a Logo 600, although I've not personally seen a set of Spyder 6S 4000's in a Logo. But my intuition says they would fit.

As you shift through the options, keep in mind that Logo 600's equipped with Jive ESC's, running on the internal BEC's and governors, have in the past won the XFC (twice), and the 3D Masters. The combo is VERY well proven.

Hope this helps,

(-: Dave

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02-21-2013 01:21 AM  5 years agoPost 3
buster1

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Thanks Dave - great info. and I appreciate it.

what servos do you suggest for this setup? Not HV.

What has worked for you?

Thanks again - sounds like this setup will be work and easy.

Jeff

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02-21-2013 01:26 AM  5 years agoPost 4
buster1

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Dave:

One final question:

How does the 600SX compare to Logo 700 in flight
handling?

My gut tells me 600Sx would be quicker and obviously lighter.

Any thoughts?

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02-21-2013 05:01 AM  5 years agoPost 5
dahld

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Non-HV servos on a logo 600? Well, what has worked for Kyle over the years with the Logo 600 has been the standard voltage JR 8717, using the Jive's default BEC voltage of 5.6V. The tail servo has always been the JR 8900G, using a Western Robotic .8V set-down, which puts the voltage going to the tail servo within the servo's specs.

Of course other equivalent stuff (or close to it) would work. The point is, on a 600 class heli, the most powerful (and thus most expensive) stuff is not really needed. Jump-up to an aggressively flown 700 (or larger) class heli, and my opinion about this starts to change.

And your question about the differences in flight handling between the Logo 600 and 700? That question's been asked before more than once

What you'd expect is not far from the truth. The 600 is smaller and lighter, and thus moves off of stops quicker, and really accelerates on hard collective moves. But even though the 700 might not be quite as quick from a technical stand point, it's size, sound and presence give the impression it's just as fast, and many pilots report the 700 flies and feels light and quick.

But it's not just about collective response. The 700 can be made slippery quick in cyclic, so you can't really say the 600's faster there. So it's impossible to say which "flies better". They just fly differently, with a different "feel" about them.

Not a great way to describe the differences, but there's not really a great way to describe it either. Each pilot will use different terms, and have different impressions.

(-: Dave

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02-21-2013 12:29 PM  5 years agoPost 6
Josh Kussman

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the biggest difference is the logo 600 has the plastic blade grips and 700 has metal, and IMO it will have a different feel hard stops and things like that, so if your a smooth flyer it works well but if you like stick banging its a little different flying, almost feels like it has a little lag time. hope this helps and not cause confusion

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02-21-2013 01:07 PM  5 years agoPost 7
Ronald Thomas

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I don't know about that analysis, maybe with other plastic gripped Helis but not Mikado.
The Logo 600 is THE BEST 600 class Heli out there, period. It can do anything you ask of it and ask for more. You will not be disappointed in any way

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02-21-2013 02:09 PM  5 years agoPost 8
Josh Kussman

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never said it was bad heli did I Just pointing out the plastic grips do make it fly different, I've had other helis with metal grips and I do have 600 and 600sx and they do fly different and I didn't say they couldn't do anything another heli can do.

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02-21-2013 03:20 PM  5 years agoPost 9
Ronald Thomas

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I didn't think you though it was bad, I just thought in order to make that statement, you would have had that Heli with metal grips setup to perfection and then switch them out for plastic and see if it exhibited that behavior. Two different machines/setups or one machine with different setups are not going to give a true snapshot.

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02-21-2013 04:03 PM  5 years agoPost 10
Josh Kussman

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not trying to fight over it or anything, I have done it with a trex600e flybar and it does feel different and that also was probably 6 years ago, would like to try that setup again and see if would feel different today. liked it then probably hate it today.lol

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02-21-2013 04:08 PM  5 years agoPost 11
Ace Dude

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Did you test metal and plastic grips on the same heli back to back? From you post it appears your comparison is based on two different helis.

  

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02-21-2013 04:33 PM  5 years agoPost 12
Ronald Thomas

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Please don't think I am fighting, I was just trying to clarify your statement as to how you tested them is all.

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02-21-2013 05:36 PM  5 years agoPost 13
Josh Kussman

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haven't test the logo just the old trex600e way back.

I know two different helis will fly differently even the logo700 will fly different than logo 600. and I have flown flybarless helis like the ENV, ballistics, goblin, e6and e7, trex700n, trex600n, some with vbar and couple with the futaba 750, 3gx, and they have all had more snap off center stick on pitch. and i'm not saying the logo600 is slow moving.

I'm not saying its a huge difference its something I have noticed flying the logo more and more I fly it and trying to adjust it to where I want. but I still will not say it will fly the same with metal grips on it.

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02-21-2013 05:51 PM  5 years agoPost 14
Ace Dude

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The Logo 600 and Logo 700 are completely different helis. The only way to do a fair comparison between metal vs. plastic grips is to test plastic and metal grips back to back on the same identical heli. Comparing the flying characteristics of plastic grips on one heli and metal grips on another helis is not an equal test platform.

  

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02-21-2013 06:15 PM  5 years agoPost 15
Josh Kussman

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Did on the trex600e Heli I had it was also a flybar Heli. And i didn't say the 700 and 600 flew the same.

And I'm sure this can go on and on. I know what I know and u know what u know. Not trying to bash one from the other just pointing out.

Back to original post logos are good weather it's small or big. jive is good and I've been running futaba Hv servos in 600 on jive bec no problems.

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02-21-2013 06:41 PM  5 years agoPost 16
buster1

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Will the motor that comes with SX bundle be sufficient for 12S?

Thanks!

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02-21-2013 06:58 PM  5 years agoPost 17
Ronald Thomas

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560kv is a little hot for 12s, 450-500 is better

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02-21-2013 07:37 PM  5 years agoPost 18
dahld

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And the reason Mikado offers the 560kv motor in the bundle, is that Mikado considers the Logo 600 series helis (all of them, the standard 3D, the SE, and now the SX), to be 10S designed and powered helis. 12S is what guys do on their own, and the models for the most part accommodate this.

I'm not bashing 12S here, just explaining things. I have a 12S powered "SE" and love it, yet Kyle still drives his Logo 600 (now upgraded to an "SX", on 10S.

Both work, but it does require consideration of different kv's on the motor selection.

(-: Dave

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02-21-2013 08:29 PM  5 years agoPost 19
Ace Dude

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I got the 600sx combo and will be using 10s.

  

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02-21-2013 08:57 PM  5 years agoPost 20
buster1

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Thanks... the only reason I'm using 12S, is because I have three fairly new 12S 4000 bricks - so, if it will work, it obviously saves money. Not because I think 12S is better than 10S.

I'll need a different KV motor - I'm hopeful Ready Heli. will just swap out for me.

Thanks guys - great info.,
Jeff

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