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02-18-2013 03:47 PM  5 years agoPost 1
Scott1115

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I love my Furion6 but less retailers carry parts now. MA treats it like their red headed step child....none of their pilots fly them at fun flies. They only market the Whiplash, and a "new" 600 sized "Whiplash junior" is in the works. For a company with only 6 helis in their fleet (450E, Fury55, Furion6, and the three Whippies) I feel abandoned.

I will wait to see the Next-D Rave635, Goblin 630, etc.....

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02-18-2013 04:50 PM  5 years agoPost 2
eddiscus

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I will agree that the Furion 6 did have a short lived time in the spotlight. But unfortunately it came out just when power systems made the 700 desirable and affordable.
As far as parts support you always have MA themselves.
Factory pilots will always be flying the latest product. Their job is to make the latest releases look desirable to the consumer.
The furion 6 is a very well built and nice flying Heli. I don't see any reason to give up on it, unless you are tired of flying it or MA no longer supports parts for it.

Heck even my logo 600 is taking back seat to the Xxtreme 700. But is still makes me happy when I fly it.

The other options you mention are not bad choices at all.

Fly what makes you happy.

Logo Xxtreme 800
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02-18-2013 08:12 PM  5 years agoPost 3
Scott1115

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True, but most retailers don't even carry it, or parts. Just whippy stuff. I think MA gave up on it and is focusing on the development of their whippy 600.

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02-18-2013 08:39 PM  5 years agoPost 4
Tyler

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I found that MA was always low on parts. I constantly was told, we will be running another batch of parts in a few weeks, plus processing, then order fulfillments (backorders) come first.

Hobby shops can't carry the parts when they are not produced. Additionally, the markup on MA parts is lower than brands such as Align so hobby shops are forced to make those business decisions that address the bottom line.

Just my speculations from personal experience.

Enjoy things that money can buy IF you don't lose the things money can't buy.

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02-18-2013 10:03 PM  5 years agoPost 5
eddiscus

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@scott
Is this whiplash 600 going to be designed as a high performance electric only or another multifunction platform.

Tyler
If lack of parts availability on older product is the consensus then I guess the Kanban Approach of manufacturing is not so slick.

I guess I have a logo mentality. If I see a part in stock and it is likely to be a consumable. I purchase it for my stock. My Heli workbench is much more convenient than the distribution centers.

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02-18-2013 10:11 PM  5 years agoPost 6
MinAirUSA

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Scott,
We are very happy to hear how much you enjoy your Furion 6. Please know that we do not see the Furion 6 or Fury 55 as an abandoned model. In the market we did see that the 90 class models were a higher demand and was the majority of what people were buying. Coming out with a new model we did switch our main advertising focus to our Whiplash line, but we still fully support our other models.
We have continued supporting our 50 class and older models through our distributor HeliWholesaler.
Please understand that as a manufacturer, we cannot force retailers to stock our product. We do our absolute best in supplying everyone with the parts they need.
As we announced earlier, Miniature Aircraft adopted the Kan-Ban process which we now are performing Lean Manufacturing. In doing so we are able to keep a constant supply of parts and kit. We are able to have their orders filled in a reasonable time frame. In doing so, more companies or retailers in the market have a less of a chance to be stuck with old stock; which we understand can be very frustrating.
Please do not base you experience with Miniature Aircraft based on who carries our product, we encourage everyone to support us, but it is not always possible; and that is something we understand.

Miniature Aircraft

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02-18-2013 11:04 PM  5 years agoPost 7
kcordell

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And if you need parts, either Ron's Heliproz South or Heliproz carries them and at good prices. If they don't have current parts, MA doesn't have them in stock at that time.

Team Synergy/Rail, Team Scorpion, YS Engines, VelTye

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02-18-2013 11:13 PM  5 years agoPost 8
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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You can still buy parts for MinAir helicopters made in the late 1990's. MinAir has by far the best parts support in the business. They never abandon their old models. That is really what makes the company unique.

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02-18-2013 11:44 PM  5 years agoPost 9
TomC

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Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

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Ya, lean (and not too mean) is probably what you need to be to survive now days imho.

Ma is very good at supporting most, but not all, older models. Case in point is the single-staged Ion-x ( made 2005-2006) where they stopped supporting the single-staged motor drive bits after Chris S. left MA. No problem with the main heli bits though.

I've managed to stockpile as many of these single-staged bits myself so I should be ok for quite a while, lol!

Cheers,
TomC

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02-19-2013 12:35 AM  5 years agoPost 10
Parker Hall

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I've tried to get away from miniature a couple of times but have always come back because nothing flies better! Started with a fury 60 moved to a fury extreme, then stratus, and now the whiplash. Somehow each model flies better than the last!

And MA if you need a factory pilot with lean experience I just got my yellow belt and green belt haha

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02-19-2013 01:07 AM  5 years agoPost 11
Scott1115

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Don't get me wrong, I really like the Furion. I feel it flies greeaaatttt! I just feel like MA gave up on their 600/50 models.

Go to a FF, damn If you will see a field rep or sponsored pilot fly one. I understand the whippy is new and larger helis are popular now. But how do you expect to sell anything in this hobby if you do not promote it. Are you trying to tell me this size heli is not popular enough to market? If this is so, the people at MA really are out of the loop.

I would bet you Align sells more 600's in a month than all three whiplash variants combined. And that's with everyone bashing them for their quality and business tactics. And it's not because of price either. The costs for the new DFC kit and the F6 with electronics, is not much different. It's because Align puts them under your nose everywhere....retailers sell them because people look for them. They don't carry F6's because nobody asks for them.....because nobody sees them fly!

Bet you can't even find a recent video on YouTube either.

It's money wasted on tooling, R and R, etc... Not to promote.

Enough, I've beat this dead horse.

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02-19-2013 02:08 AM  5 years agoPost 12
Raptorz499

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I understand where you are coming from Scott. My .02 is that MA is a high end product and to compare it to Align is just not even in the same class. We all know that Align does make a good heli especially for the money, but let me sum it up by saying it is like the WalMart of rc helicpoters. Just my .02 so dont flake out on me everyone

I will support MA You get what you pay for..Quality

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02-19-2013 02:43 AM  5 years agoPost 13
Scott1115

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Ok Raptor, I would bet you the Golin 630 outsells the F6 more than 10:1. Not only because its new, but because SAB markets them. Bet you the Logo 600 outsells them by a large margin too, and they are only had through one source. Team Mikado had several pilots flying the 600 this year at FF's even though the two extremes were introduced.

Does not matter. The lack of interest on MA's part to back their 600/50 class (not just the F6), to me, is evident. They can say what they want, but the effort is not there.

You see less and less of them at fun flies, you see lack of posts on the boards, you see the retailers dropping this line because of the lack of demand, resale for the airframes is low, etc...

Just dissapointed with MA. I don't blame them for marketing the latest and greatest, but don't disregard the rest of the line (it's not that big).

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02-19-2013 02:56 AM  5 years agoPost 14
shlm

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Down my way there are quite a few of Furion 6s at the field. As for the MA pilots flying them at FF, I think it is more of the wow/perform factor of the larger model. How often do you see the other vendor's pilots flying the smaller models when they offer a 90 size. So I would not judge or get discouraged as a result. The Furion 6 is a very nice model that performs and is very well supported by MA.




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02-19-2013 03:27 AM  5 years agoPost 15
rc3po

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+1 for 600's !!
I have to agree. Comes down to what are you looking to fly. The most marketed model or one that flies well with great support.

I don't feel MA has dropped the ball on the 600 class at all.. As an owner of almost (hee hee ..almost dangit) 4 of their 600's, I can say that everytime I have needed something or had an issue. .THey have always come through. The other thing is.. there have not been that many issues; and that's pretty big with me.. Even if I receved a bad part for some reason, it has been without question replaced.. Try that with Align. You know.. they usually send you 2 for a reason..

The 600 class heli is my favorite to fly. But that's me right now.. My 90's are MA gassers and fly super. I enjoy the quality they exhibit and they take whatever I hand to them.. But my Comfort level currently lies with the 600. And with MA..

Happay Happay Happay...

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02-19-2013 03:29 AM  5 years agoPost 16
Scott1115

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Andrew Merlino and Ben Storick flew the Logo 600 at every fun fly I attended this year even though Mikado had the 700 and 800 Exxtremes out. Jan Matros flew all three. The big boys were flown by other pilots. Dana, rep for Compass, flew both the 6hv and 7hv all season. Align had plots flying the 600dfc and the 700dfc.

MA chooses to showcase their whiplash line only.

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02-19-2013 03:43 AM  5 years agoPost 17
dchekas

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Scott,

The Whippy N/Whippy G just became available for the public and for the rest of Team MA in April/May this year, so most guys, myself included, got that model for the funfly season, and of course, we all like to play with our newest toys

That might be why there weren't too many 55's being flown by the Team guys. I know Mr. MXRACER43 was flying the Fury 55 the majority of the season, and pretty sure I saw a few other MA guys flying them.

For me too, it gets tough hauling that many machines around to fun flies. I typically am sharing a ride with 2-3 other guys, and if I take 4-5 helicopters with me, that's taking up A LOT of room. Plus, then there's more spare parts, blades, batteries and other stuff I'd need to bring to support it.

The F6 and F55 got a lot of exposure in 2010 and 2011, and I would guess many of the Team guys were ready to fly 90's again.

We will see what this year brings.

Team Align, Team Futaba, Team Byron Fuels, Team Thunder Power

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03-06-2013 04:12 PM  5 years agoPost 18
cmdiduca

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Mt. Pocono, Pa

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Just got rid of the raptor!! Yeah!! Fleet consists of a fury 55, whippy n and g and a fury tempest. Parts have been result available from Ron's/ heliproz. MA customer service is top notch. I agree with Darrick in that the newest and greatest tend to be flown a bit more. I still like my tempest and fury just as much as the whiplash.

The tempest has aquired the name "grandpa" but let me tell you-- strap a 120 into a 10 year old am model and you still have people asking questions about it.

Long live miniature aircraft!!!!!
Chris

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03-06-2013 06:07 PM  5 years agoPost 19
shlm

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Just finishing up my Furion 6 which will be running a 12s setup. Should be a blast!




Steven B.

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03-06-2013 07:30 PM  5 years agoPost 20
rcnut

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...Kanban Approach of manufacturing is not so slick...
I agree! We use it at work and it has a lot to be desired. I think it is more of a hindrance than anything, late stock, constant backorders, etc. Maybe in a perfect world...it works! But that is just my opinion!!
...The big boys were flown by other pilots. Dana, rep for Compass, flew both the 6hv and 7hv all season...MA chooses to showcase their whiplash line only...
I can attest to Compass show-boating there helis...I been following them from afar. Of course I have two of their helis...the 3D+ and 6HV. Both are excellent helis for a 50 size machine. However, Compass decided to drop the 3D+ line. That didn't make me too happy!

I've been watching MA with their new Whiplash line, waiting to see how well it works, and waiting for issues to arise. I'm tired of doing R&D for manufacturing without me knowing about it! It is one thing if I'm told about it or asked to...

I've followed other heli companies as well, CYE, Protos, Align, Avant, Thunder Tiger, MA, etc. Basically, I fly what I like, what works for me, not what the pros are flying...currently. I look to see how well the heli performs, ask 20 questions, and search the forums. I try to do enough research to determine whether or not a heli is worth buying.

I was skeptical when the sudden 50 size electric heli "boom" arrived. I wasn't so sure they were going to make it the market place, but I was wrong. A lot of those helis didn't get the proper advertizing they truly needed.

But that is just me.

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