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02-22-2013 03:35 AM  5 years agoPost 61
dkshema

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A pair of new 600e DFC main shafts will set you back about $15 plus shipping. I guess that would make them about $10 a piece.

That is a far cry from the cost of a new Harley.

A few minutes with some wet sandpaper after you discovered the flaw, this thread would have never been started. It might not be something you should HAVE to do with a new part, but if it's the difference between flying tomorrow, or having to wait another week or two, well, a bit of elbow grease would have been the prescription.

I've built a lot of different heli kits over the past 30+ years. DuBro, Kyosho, Gorham, Schluter, American RC Helicopters, Kavan, Align, Hirobo, Hobby King and now, Gaui.

Along the way, I've run into a few bad parts here and there. I knew enough to not fly it unless it was right, and I also understood that occasionally, something you buy just ain't right.

Your last post indicates that you buy a lot of parts, you like to tinker, it's part of the learning curve...but all of a sudden a bad part sends you over the edge and it's the end of the world. Something seems odd here. It would seem that upon finding a bad part, you had a few options. Fix it and use it, toss it out and try a different one, contact the seller, tell them the problem and more than likely, you'd have been sent a new one. Most of the reputable RC hobby shops are like that. They take care of their customer.

In spite of your skills, experience, desire to tinker and figure things out, you didn't put any of that to use, didn't exercise any of the options noted above, used it anyway, crashed, and all of a sudden, all Align parts are defective.

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02-22-2013 03:40 AM  5 years agoPost 62
BobOD

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As far as taking the wet sanding paper to it, um, no, that's not something I should have to even consider when it's a part that should just bolt up and work
I hear you, can't say I can disagree with that. But, then there is reality. You find this sort of thing from time to time and most will just fix it up. Heck, I've even had to polish up shafts and remove flashing from my Logo parts to get it to fit up right.

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02-22-2013 04:32 AM  5 years agoPost 63
YSRRider

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hmmmmmmmmmmm

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02-22-2013 10:07 AM  5 years agoPost 64
Richardmid1

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A pair of new 600e DFC main shafts will set you back about $15 plus shipping. I guess that would make them about $10 a piece.

That is a far cry from the cost of a new Harley.

A few minutes with some wet sandpaper after you discovered the flaw, this thread would have never been started. It might not be something you should HAVE to do with a new part, but if it's the difference between flying tomorrow, or having to wait another week or two, well, a bit of elbow grease would have been the prescription.

I've built a lot of different heli kits over the past 30+ years. DuBro, Kyosho, Gorham, Schluter, American RC Helicopters, Kavan, Align, Hirobo, Hobby King and now, Gaui.

Along the way, I've run into a few bad parts here and there. I knew enough to not fly it unless it was right, and I also understood that occasionally, something you buy just ain't right.

Your last post indicates that you buy a lot of parts, you like to tinker, it's part of the learning curve...but all of a sudden a bad part sends you over the edge and it's the end of the world. Something seems odd here. It would seem that upon finding a bad part, you had a few options. Fix it and use it, toss it out and try a different one, contact the seller, tell them the problem and more than likely, you'd have been sent a new one. Most of the reputable RC hobby shops are like that. They take care of their customer.

In spite of your skills, experience, desire to tinker and figure things out, you didn't put any of that to use, didn't exercise any of the options noted above, used it anyway, crashed, and all of a sudden, all Align parts are defective.
Nailed it big time!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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02-22-2013 12:32 PM  5 years agoPost 65
gmcullan

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Is this horse dead yet, or should the beatings continue?

Gerry Cullan,
Gaui 200, 255; T-Rex 250, 450 SE & SA, Mini-Titan, Blade 450

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02-22-2013 01:09 PM  5 years agoPost 66
MNNightflyer

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End of the world? Hardly. Just the end of a few parts and the beginning of some new ones, some more frustration of not being in the air currently, and more time at the bench. As for your assumption of the options I have employed, or failed to, I am dealing with my LHS who has since shipped the faulty part back to assurance, and has promised me a new one free of charge, and yes, my LHS is very good with that, far better than align is with taking up their end with their end users. Im sorry if my expectation of a decent part is a little much for align to handle, but when I buy something brand new, I expect it to be in perfect working order, otherwise I would just buy a used one....
I'm sure that (like most of you) going to the hobby shop isn't anything more than hopping in your car and going a few miles, then waddling your way from your car to the front door, and boom, done. Unfortunately, it's not that simple for me currently, nor has it been for a few years now. I'm not going into any more detail, but lets just say it isn't that simple for me. Those of you that wish me well, I thank you for it, as well as those that have positive input and suggestions. As for the insulting trolls, and just general jerk offs, well, you can take your input and put them where the rest of your negativity goes.... up your keister.

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02-22-2013 01:20 PM  5 years agoPost 67
Wave

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As for the insulting trolls, and just general jerk offs, well, you can take your input and put them where the rest of your negativity goes.... up your keister.
..except you were trolling when you started the thread.

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02-22-2013 01:32 PM  5 years agoPost 68
McKrackin

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deleted...not helpful.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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02-22-2013 03:43 PM  5 years agoPost 69
rexxigpilot

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Probably time to close this thread!

One thing still lingering with me is the analogy to a Harley. Bad analogy to compare a completed unit with a kit needing assembly. I'm sure some Harley parts are found to be out of spec during the assembly process or at least in the QC of the parts prior to assembly. Here's the thing, an RC helicopter doesn't cost anywhere near what a Harley costs. Do you want a heli at double the price just to assure all parts fit perfectly? I don't. I can fix small stuff myself, and if I can't I can usually send the bad part back to the store I bought it from for replacement.

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02-22-2013 04:32 PM  5 years agoPost 70
YSRRider

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when I buy something brand new, I expect it to be in perfect working order
You get what you pay for??

I dont remember if I posted here or if I deleted my thoughts like half the people in this thread so I will share my thoughts.

Thunder Tiger used to be where Align is today. The difference is, Thunder Tiger never sent out any defective parts. Atleast not that I ever received. No disrespect to you but its people just like you that have put them where they are by buying their trash just to save $50 on a kit. Now what has it cost you?

Just curious, slightly off topic. Does Align put lead and other toxic waste in their parts that they cant find a way to dispose of locally?

P.S. to all the noobs that started out with a TREX. Aluminum parts will never make you a better pilot.

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02-22-2013 04:40 PM  5 years agoPost 71
McKrackin

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Now what has it cost you?
The bad part didn't cost him anything at all.

Using it intentionally knowing it would lock up in flight cost him plenty....Align doesn't sell bad decisions.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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02-22-2013 04:57 PM  5 years agoPost 72
dkshema

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Thunder Tiger never sent out any defective parts.
Unless you consider the original R30 V1 having to be pretty much redesigned -- woof and poof, wah-wahs seem to come to mind, causing them to have to retool and make the R30 V2.

Of course they learned THAT lesson when they rolled out the R60 V1. Oops, I forgot, they had to roll out the V2 soon after, to cure the same problems seen in the R30 V1.

No manufacturer is perfect. The blanket statement that TT never shipped a bad part can't be defended.

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02-22-2013 05:12 PM  5 years agoPost 73
BladeStrikes

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+1 on what everyone said and this is something I don't understand..This guy is well know for stright up bashing Align everytime he crashes then blames Align saying its from a bad part,thats happend a few times..
So far Align has replaced all the parts he claimed that was bad and made his heli crash..
Now he claims the main shaft was bad and knew it before flying the heli but flew it anyways.Crashes and now hes getting another part replaced free of charge just like the other said to be bad parts..
So far this guy has had EVERY SINGLE part replaced free of charge but yet bashes Align saying they don't take care of him,really ..
All these parts could of been damaged from crashing but Align hasn't questioned anything and just replaced them..
Not long ago he pulled this same crap (a few different times)---> he bashed the crap out of Align demanding more free parts.Everyone found out that Align sent him free parts in the past and this guy never sent the old parts in like Align asked.Not sure if he sent the parts in yet but when a place sends you parts before even getting your old ones,replaces every single part he "claims" is bad AFTER crashing them <---Thats some damn good customer service IMO ..

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02-22-2013 05:57 PM  5 years agoPost 74
BladeStrikes

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https://rc.runryder.com/t726230p1/
https://rc.runryder.com/t655094p1/

Heck,everyone knows about the tail issues with the 50V2 that was NEVER taken care of..With the newer X50,I already seen some of the issues and parts failing in flight..

Thats not a bash or dig at TT,just saying that every brand has issues and you'll never find a 100% problem free heli,not going to happen..The OP could go with something else and the same thing would happen all over again but yet peope try making it sound like Align is the only one.

YSRRider has never owned a Align heli which he stated himself and heres the reason why hes bashing..Not long ago he tried selling some 15 year old helis and wanted top dollar..They weren't selling and he claimed the reason for that was Align has taken over the hobby ..
Heres the thread that made him bash Align,troll Align threads andtroll/bash me in the past https://rc.runryder.com/t705201p1/ ..

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02-22-2013 06:06 PM  5 years agoPost 75
steve9534

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yakima, wa.

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Crashing.
I'm still trying to figure out how having the collective freeze at 3-6 degrees of pitch when you're 3 feet off the ground makes you crash??? All you'd have to do is lower the throttle and the heli will settle to the ground. Obviously one hopes they don't have to modify parts to make them work properly, but having the swash stick on the mainshaft is a fairly common occurrence. I've seen the same problem with multiple different brands. If it's tight, I'll just chuck the shaft in a drill and sand it until it's not. Anyway, sorry for the crash. Hopefully today will be a better day. steve.

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02-22-2013 06:19 PM  5 years agoPost 76
McKrackin

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Heres the thread that made him bash Align,troll Align threads andtroll/bash me
Because,as usual,you were arguing with another member about what THEIR stuff is worth....How is that at all helpful?

They have something for sale? If you want it...make an offer and move along if they don't accept.

If you don't even want it...why say anything at all about it?

I think you're paranoid sometimes...You say people are bashing you and all that is really happening is they don't have the same opinion as you and no matter how many pages of arguments you post on the subject,they still have a different opinion...You think that's an attack?

Looking forward to your usual civil response where you're "not trying to be mean".lol....

I literally never use the word literally right.

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02-22-2013 06:24 PM  5 years agoPost 77
YSRRider

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Unless you consider the original R30 V1 having to be pretty much redesigned -- woof and poof, wah-wahs seem to come to mind, causing them to have to retool and make the R30 V2.

Of course they learned THAT lesson when they rolled out the R60 V1. Oops, I forgot, they had to roll out the V2 soon after, to cure the same problems seen in the R30 V1.

No manufacturer is perfect. The blanket statement that TT never shipped a bad part can't be defended.

Had a V1 and never had any of those issues. Either way it was a good platform and they made it better. The quality of the parts was always consistent. I never pulled a bent mast out of the package or had parts fail in flight.

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02-22-2013 06:26 PM  5 years agoPost 78
BladeStrikes

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You aren't worth replying to McKrackin,everyone knows what your well known for.

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02-22-2013 06:32 PM  5 years agoPost 79
McKrackin

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You aren't worth replying to McKrackin,everyone knows what your well known for.
Well said my friend.lol....

I literally never use the word literally right.

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02-22-2013 06:52 PM  5 years agoPost 80
YSRRider

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http://rc.runryder.com/t726230p1/
https://rc.runryder.com/t655094p1/

Heck,everyone knows about the tail issues with the 50V2 that was NEVER taken care of..With the newer X50,I already seen some of the issues and parts failing in flight..

Thats not a bash or dig at TT,just saying that every brand has issues and you'll never find a 100% problem free heli,not going to happen..The OP could go with something else and the same thing would happen all over again but yet peope try making it sound like Align is the only one.

YSRRider has never owned a Align heli which he stated himself and heres the reason why hes bashing..Not long ago he tried selling some 15 year old helis and wanted top dollar..They weren't selling and he claimed the reason for that was Align has taken over the hobby ..
Heres the thread that made him bash Align,troll Align threads andtroll/bash me in the past https://rc.runryder.com/t705201p1/ ..
The tail rod on all the raptors is a weak point. I crashed once because of it and it was my own stupidity. I had a chinese made purple boom that was out of spec and the rod guides vibrated and moved up toward the collar because I did not glue them. The servo could not move and it spun out of control into a tree. Since then I have always tossed those parts in the garbage and switched to a boom mounted servo and have always suggested that to people. Its a fine design for a beginner if assembled per the instructions.

Yes, every manufacturer is going to have bugs to work out, thats normal. Just out of curiosity, how long does Align run a model before they replace it with a new version? Long enough to work out the bugs?

I did own an align for a short time. A 450. Forget what model it was, had silver CF frames and from what I was told it was on the market for 6 months and instead of tweaking it to make it better, they just changed all the parts which were all the same dimensionally, they just added some material or took some away to make them look different and offered it as a V2 or whatever..... All the parts were interchangeable. Now as a used machine thats worthless, might as well throw that in the garbage and buy a new one cant you cant sell it. Its like buying a computer or a TV. The minute you get it home there is a new model coming out.

15 year old helis huh? for the record it was a Raptor 50 Titan and Hirobo Freya. Both of which are still produced, Freya is now the EVO 90. Most of it looks the same. Have not compared the 2 side by side.

Align's goal is just to pump out a newly styled heli every few months to keep people buying and to fit the budget of people that dont work because they collect govt money.

You know what I fly now? I have a Min-Air 1005 carbon/graphite gasser. About 90% blinged out. I think this heli came out in around 1998? 1999? Not sure when they stopped producing it. 2004? 2005? I'm sure someone on here would know. They still make parts for it and its still 10x the quality of align. If Min-Air can guarantee me that they will still make parts for their new gasser 15 years from now. I'll buy a new one. Too bad TT doesnt make a gasser.

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