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02-19-2013 12:34 AM  5 years agoPost 41
Mike Fortin

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While it would be great to have helicopters made 100% in the US it's really not feasible. Cost of labor and machining here is far more expensive than in Asia.

While it certainly pains us to say that, it is reality.

While some heli designers are American and reside here in the US, in order to be able to compete on any level they are forced to go to Asia for manufacturing.

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02-19-2013 12:47 AM  5 years agoPost 42
McKrackin

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You missed Justins post?

Our Avants are nearly 100% American made.
They just buy screws from Germany.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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02-19-2013 12:56 AM  5 years agoPost 43
Mike Fortin

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Not missed at all.

By "our" do you mean one of 6 or so?

The only time we've ever seen Avant's "in the wild" is at IRCHA.

It's like seeing a Unicorn.

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02-19-2013 01:00 AM  5 years agoPost 44
Noobyflyer

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China = Cheaters

It's not a level playing field when it comes to the motivation to outsource manufacturing. And by "Asia", we all know you mean China. Let's not parse words here.

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02-19-2013 01:06 AM  5 years agoPost 45
McKrackin

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Not missed at all.

By "our" do you mean one of 6 or so?

The only time we've ever seen Avant's "in the wild" is at IRCHA.

It's like seeing a Unicorn.
Yeah sure...6 or so.lol...

How long has it been since a certain someone was bragging up MA being American made?

I literally never use the word literally right.

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02-19-2013 01:15 AM  5 years agoPost 46
Mike Fortin

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Not sure, how long?

None the less, as I mentioned before it is nice to have companies manufacturing here in the mother land but is it truly feasible?

Certainly not knocking American companies, we wish there were more and not just in the heli industry.

The sad reality is that the ability to compete with a company like Align that can manufacturer a kit like a 700 for under $200 dollars is extremely tough.

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02-19-2013 01:19 AM  5 years agoPost 47
icanfly

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American products don't have to cost more than foreign products.

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02-19-2013 01:49 AM  5 years agoPost 48
BobOD

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Justin, where on the Avant site does it say the Aurora is made in the US?

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02-19-2013 01:51 AM  5 years agoPost 49
McKrackin

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It says it on about every part.

Never looked at the site.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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02-19-2013 01:55 AM  5 years agoPost 50
BobOD

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Oh yeah, I forgot about that. LOL
I always wondered why they don't advertise it more on the site. It's implied there in a couple places. They should have that plastered....it's something to be proud of.

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02-19-2013 02:36 AM  5 years agoPost 51
eddiscus

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I always wondered why they don't advertise it more on the site. It's implied there in a couple places. They should have that plastered....it's something to be proud of.
This is right from Avants home page:

"The company features brand-new expanded manufacturing facilities with the first hands-off automated production line in the industry. This new capability allows Avant RC to manufacture the helicopter parts with very limited human intervention or its associated labor cost right here in the US. This makes Avant RC the only US based manufacturer that is able to compete in the price range of the asian suppliers but with a US based quality control and precision not found on the cheap imports.We are very proud to have invested in this large state-of-the-art automated manufacturing facility and to keep our manufacturing base inside the United States buying also our manufacturing supplies from US companies."

Would be nice if they had an american flag on their header page.

Was at a funfly several years ago and the local club seemed to have a large # of Avants. Seemed they organized a group buy with a local hobby store. Best of both, american made product and supporting a local buisness.

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02-19-2013 02:45 AM  5 years agoPost 52
BobOD

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I know Ed, implications but notice it doesn't actually say where what is made. Perhaps there are some parts that are sourced overseas so they can't. I'm OK with that, something being made here is always a good thing.

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02-19-2013 02:52 AM  5 years agoPost 53
eddiscus

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I am not really happy about the limiting of human intervention. But that is an issue with managment reducing costs.
Another can of worms.

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02-19-2013 03:09 AM  5 years agoPost 54
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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I am not really happy about the limiting of human intervention.
Who do you think will be able to manufacture the higher tolerance product time after time after time? A team of skilled workers, or a precision robot?

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02-19-2013 03:13 AM  5 years agoPost 55
Mike Fortin

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Likely the guy that has been doing it his entire life by hand and doesn't have to worry about screwing up the programming of a machine. LOL

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02-19-2013 03:24 AM  5 years agoPost 56
BobOD

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I've seen Chinese factories that have more impressive machines than that one on the right....lined up one after the other almost as far as you could see.
Like Mike said, garbage in...garbage out. But, it isn't for lack of high end equipment I can assure.

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02-19-2013 03:25 AM  5 years agoPost 57
eddiscus

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If the machinist has the integrity that Bob has i would say the manned machining process has an upper hand.
The manned process is more likly to catch worn tool bit machining errors unless the automated process includes dimension checking every 10 or so pieces depending on material.

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02-19-2013 03:27 AM  5 years agoPost 58
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02-19-2013 05:14 AM  5 years agoPost 59
BobOD

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Hey, I belch at the dinner table, and sometimes cuss up a storm (not as much as Johnny though)

We have a $25k probing system where I work and it could not measure a bore to the accuracy needed for a proper fit of these little bearings. A 19mm OD and up yes, but below, not even close.
There are machines that will do it, but you'd have to make a LOT of helis to pay for it.

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02-19-2013 06:05 AM  5 years agoPost 60
Rudy

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While some heli designers are American and reside here in the US, in order to be able to compete on any level they are forced to go to Asia for manufacturing.
EPIC Helicopters
http://www.EPIChelis.com
So said the new member that appears to be pushing his own brand of helicopter.

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