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02-04-2013 02:02 AM  5 years agoPost 1
Isaac F

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http://vimeo.com/54400569

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Speed of light is greater than speed of sound. Some people seem very bright until U hear them speak

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02-04-2013 04:15 AM  5 years agoPost 2
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That was great, thanks for sharing!

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02-04-2013 08:45 PM  5 years agoPost 3
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What a load of nonsense.

The ''entire Egyptian army'' did not consist of a mere 10,000 troops; that was the initial contingent that Egypt sent in an attempt to stop what was perceived to be ''Zionist terrorist gangs,'' expelling Palestinians from their lands and homes.

The heavy fighting between the Zionists and the Palestinians began in 1947, over 6 months before the official start of the war. By the time the war officially started, over 100,000 Palestinians had already been expelled, or fled, and were not allowed to return to their homes.

The UN designated Jewish state was not invaded by 5 Arab armies. The British commanded and supplied Arab Legion (Jordan's army), considered to be the most powerful of them all, did not at any time attempt to invade any part of the UN designated Jewish state. They occupied part of the UN Arab designated state (what is now known as the West Bank), which was invaded by Israel.

Their biggest battle was in Jerusalem, which was not designated to be part of either state, and where fighting did not resume after the end of the ceasefire, as they managed to keep the peace.

The other Arab armies, Lebanon, Iraq and Syria, barely crossed the border into the UN designated Jewish state, and did little more than set up defensive positions in a few border villages.

While the Israeli air force only consisted of a few old planes at the outset, they ignored the UN imposed arms embargo during the UN imposed ceasefire, and bought all sorts of weapons from tanks to spitfires on the black market from communist Czechoslovakia. While the Arabs and their British suppliers obeyed the arms embargo. When asked if they would agree to extend the ceasefire, Israel refused.

Egypt was still occupied by and allied to the British at the time, and RAF pilots flew joint reconnaissance missions with the Egyptian air force over Israel at the start of the war. By the end of the war, the RAF were defending Egypt from Israel.

Don't believe the hasbara... look up the facts for yourself. It's all well documented by western and Israeli historians.

Dusty

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02-04-2013 09:15 PM  5 years agoPost 4
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Don't believe the hasbara... look up the facts for yourself. It's all well documented by western and Israeli historians.
Dusty does not believe anything Israel says, nor does he want you to believe what Israel says. He only wants you to believe what Israel's enemies say.

That's it. That's his story.

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02-04-2013 09:18 PM  5 years agoPost 5
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Dusty does not believe anything Israel says, nor does he want you to believe what Israel says. He only wants you to believe what Israel's enemies say.
That's it. That's his story.
The video was not produced by ''Israel.''

Israeli historians such as Benny Morris are not ''Israel's enemies.''

DEET doesn't know what he's talking about, as usual. That's his story.

Dusty

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02-04-2013 10:15 PM  5 years agoPost 6
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Dusty:
Don't believe the hasbara... look up the facts for yourself. It's all well documented by western and Israeli historians.
Hasbara:

Israel Citizens’ Information Council (ICIC), an Israeli-based grassroots initiative. The purpose of the ICIC is to assist efforts to explain Israeli life from the vantage point of the average Israeli citizen. Towards that end, the ICIC enlists Israelis from all walks of life to participate in its various projects.

http://www.hasbara.com/

You see, dusty don't believe them. He calls them all Zionists.

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02-04-2013 10:29 PM  5 years agoPost 7
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You see, dusty don't believe them. He calls them all Zionists.
I don't believe who? I pointed out inaccuracies in the video, Feel free to dispute anything specific in my post.

Hasbara is a Hebrew euphemism for propaganda.

A Zionist is someone who supports the existence of the state of Israel. I am a Zionist, as I support Israel's right to exist, within it's internationally recognised borders, just as I support any other country's right to exist within it's internationally recognised borders.

Before Israel was declared in 1948, there was no such thing as an Israeli, which is why I referred to the Jews who lived in Palestine at the time as Zionists.

Dusty

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02-04-2013 10:35 PM  5 years agoPost 8
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A Zionist is someone who supports the existence of the state of Israel. I am a Zionist, as I support Israel's right to exist, within it's internationally recognised borders, just as I support any other country's right to exist within it's internationally recognised borders.
Once again, you are hinting that Israel return to its 67 borders.

That ain't going to happen. Ever.

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02-04-2013 10:48 PM  5 years agoPost 9
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Once again, you are hinting that Israel return to its 67 borders.
Nope, I am hinting that I don't support Israel's right to exist outwith it's internationally recognised borders.

What I personally support, will not make one iota of difference to Israel.

If you're looking for an argument, you'll need to do better than that.

Dusty

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02-04-2013 10:56 PM  5 years agoPost 10
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Nope, I am hinting that I don't support Israel's right to exist outwith it's internationally recognised borders.
By "internationally recognized borders", you mean the UN.

That's a laugh.

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02-04-2013 11:10 PM  5 years agoPost 11
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By "internationally recognized borders", you mean the UN.
Nope, I am referring to the official recognition of Israel's borders by every country in the world that recognises Israel, including the US.
That's a laugh.
It's your lack of knowledge that's the laugh.

Dusty

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02-04-2013 11:30 PM  5 years agoPost 12
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Nope, I am referring to the official recognition of Israel's borders by every country in the world that recognises Israel, including the US.
By US, you mean the Obummer and his pals.

That's a bigger laugh.

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02-04-2013 11:33 PM  5 years agoPost 13
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By US, you mean the Obummer and his pals.
Nope, I mean every US administration there has been since 1948.
That's a bigger laugh.
Keep on going. The more you reveal your lack of knowledge, the funnier it gets.

Dusty

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02-04-2013 11:49 PM  5 years agoPost 14
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Nope, I mean every US administration there has been since 1948.
You mean every US president since 1948 has supported Israel going back to its pre 67 borders???

I don't think so.

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02-05-2013 12:11 AM  5 years agoPost 15
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You mean every US president since 1948 has supported Israel going back to its pre 67 borders???
Nope, I mean every US administration since 1948, has officially recognised Israel's borders as being what are commonly known as the pre-67 borders, and are Israel's internationally recognised borders.

I didn't say anything about Israel going back to those borders, or any US administration supporting such.
I don't think so.
That's because you got confused.

Give it another try; give us another laugh.

Dusty

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