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02-03-2013 05:22 PM  5 years agoPost 1
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Decorated veteran and sniper Chris Kyle was killed at a firing range in Texas on Saturday. Kyle was named in a lawsuit by former Underwater Demolition Team 12 member and Minnesota governor Jesse Ventura. The legal action was taken after Kyle claimed he punched Ventura in a bar for insulting a dead U.S. soldier.

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February 3, 2013

Decorated veteran and sniper Chris Kyle was killed at a firing range in Texas on Saturday. Kyle was named in a lawsuit by former Underwater Demolition Team 12 member and Minnesota governor Jesse Ventura. The legal action was taken after Kyle claimed he punched Ventura in a bar for insulting a dead U.S. soldier.

The story was included in Kyle’s book, American Sniper: The Autobiography of the Most Lethal Sniper in U.S. Military History, and during a subsequent television interview on Fox News. Fox News is owned by the Fox Entertainment Group, a subsidiary of News Corporation. The publisher of Kyle’s memoir, William Morrow, is owned by the News Corporation.

Kyle allegedly made up the story about Ventura to promote his book. Ventura told the Alex Jones Show last January he believes the story was concocted for political reasons, most notably his support for Ron Paul and his criticism of the TSA.

In December, a federal judge refused to dismiss Ventura’s defamation lawsuit after Kyle’s lawyers argued his remarks are protected by the First Amendment. “His statements are not protected by the First Amendment if they were knowingly false and defamatory, as Ventura claims,” the judge wrote.

In November, 2011, a federal judge in Minnesota threw out a Ventura lawsuit against the TSA and the Department of Homeland Security for violating his right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizure. Federal Judge Susan Richard Nelson ruled that the court lacked jurisdiction in the case.

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‘American Sniper’ Author Shot and Killed in Texas

Chris Kyle at his home in Dallas in March 2012.

Since retiring from the Navy SEALS, Chris Kyle, who was known as America’s deadliest sniper, would occasionally take fellow veterans shooting as a kind of therapy to salve battlefield scars.
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Mr. Kyle, author of the best selling book “American Sniper: The Autobiography of the Most Lethal Sniper in U.S. Military History,” was with a struggling former soldier on just such an outing on Saturday, hoping a day at a shooting range would bring some relief, said a friend, Travis Cox.

But Texas authorities said Sunday that for unknown reasons, the man turned on Mr. Kyle and a second man, Chad Littlefield, shooting and killing both before fleeing.

“Chad and Chris had taken a veteran out to shoot to try to help him,” Mr. Cox said. “And they were killed.”

On Sunday, the police identified the shooter as Eddie Ray Routh, a 25-year-old veteran with a history of mental illness who had served in both Iraq and Afghanistan. The police offered no information about a possible motive.

Mr. Routh shot the men at about 3:30 p.m. on Saturday, at the Rough Creek Lodge, an exclusive shooting range near Glen Rose, about 50 miles southwest of Fort Worth, Sgt. Lonny Haschel, a spokesman for the state Department of Public Safety’s Highway Patrol Division, said in a statement. Mr. Routh then fled in a pickup truck and was arrested on Saturday night at his home in Lancaster, a southern Dallas suburb. He has been charged with two counts of capital murder, Mr. Haschel said.

Mr. Cox, the director of a foundation that Mr. Kyle created, said he was not acquainted with Mr. Routh, but said that Mr. Kyle had devoted his life since his military retirement to helping fellow soldiers overcome post-traumatic stress.

In 2011, Mr. Kyle created the FITCO Cares Foundation, to provide veterans with exercise equipment and counseling. He believed that exercise coupled with the camaraderie of fellow veterans could help former soldiers ease back into civilian life.

“He served this country with extreme honor, but came home and was a servant leader in helping his brothers and sisters dealing with post-traumatic stress disorder,” Mr. Cox, also a former military sniper, said by telephone.

Mr. Kyle, who lived outside of Dallas, had his own difficulties adjusting after retiring from the SEALS in 2009. He was deployed in Iraq during the worst years of the insurgency, perched in or on top of bombed out apartment buildings with his .300 Winchester Magnum.

He became proficient at his job, racking up more than 150 kills and becoming the scourge of Iraqi insurgents, who put a price on his head and reportedly nicknamed him the “Devil of Ramadi.”

He preferred to think of his job not as killing bad guys, but saving the good.

“I feel pretty good because I am not just killing someone, I am also saving people,” he said in a Jan. 2012 interview with The Dallas Morning News. “What keeps me up at night is not the people that I have killed. It is the people I wasn’t able to save.”

Mr. Kyle was sued by the former governor of Minnesota, Jesse Ventura, over a portion of the book that claims Mr. Kyle punched Mr. Ventura in a 2006 bar fight over unpatriotic remarks. Mr. Ventura says the punch never happened and that the claim by Kyle defamed him.

Mr. Kyle had asked that Ventura’s claims of invasion of privacy and "unjust enrichment" be dismissed, saying there was no legal basis for them. But a federal judge said the lawsuit should proceed. Both sides were told to be ready for trial by Aug. 1.

Manny Fernandez contributed reporting.

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02-03-2013 05:29 PM  5 years agoPost 2
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A true American Hero is killed in the most tragic of circumstances, while trying to help a former vet. And you decide to label this thread about his alleged smear of Jesse Ventura. Pretty low if you ask me.

This sad incident should also put to rest the asinine argument about "If only he was armed"!! He was a highly trained and deadly proficient with a firearm and yet he was shot dead in cold blood. Point being that even the most highly trained person can fall prey to this kind of violence, so it is idiotic for people with virtually no training to think that things would be different for them.

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02-03-2013 06:19 PM  5 years agoPost 3
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Jessi Ventura spent most of his Adult career getting hit in the head with folding chair's, getting dropped on his head, in the ring, and swan diving onto ring side table's.

Why he was such a good Gov. for Minnesota.

Chris was shot in the Back by a 25 year old Whack Nut Vet with severe problem's --- he was their trying to help or unscramble his mental issues.

We do not shoot in the back - long as they are south bound.

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02-03-2013 08:07 PM  5 years agoPost 4
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fwiw..

Armed...Has a chance..

Unarmed...Has NO chance...

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02-03-2013 09:51 PM  5 years agoPost 5
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This sad incident should also put to rest the asinine argument about "If only he was armed"!!
Not at all....it simply states how this ONE incident unfolded, it is idiotic to think all other circumstances will end in the same manner....and statistics prove otherwise......

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02-03-2013 11:46 PM  5 years agoPost 6
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This sad incident should also put to rest the asinine argument about "If only he was armed"!! He was a highly trained and deadly proficient with a firearm and yet he was shot dead in cold blood. Point being that even the most highly trained person can fall prey to this kind of violence, so it is idiotic for people with virtually no training to think that things would be different for them.
Figured it wouldn't take long for some liberal ****tard to try to make political hay out of this. Just like with Newtown.

You are doing exactly what you just berated Albatross for doing.

Exactly what I expect from the collectivists.

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02-04-2013 05:15 AM  5 years agoPost 7
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Not at all....it simply states how this ONE incident unfolded, it is idiotic to think all other circumstances will end in the same manner....and statistics prove otherwise......
Ok, let's see.

Ronald Reagan, surrounded by the most highly trained protection force in the world, got shot.

Gerald Ford, same as above, got shot at.

All the police personnel killed in the line of duty each year. They were armed and ready for bad things to happen.

Point being (one more time) if highly trained and well armed professionals end up shot/killed what makes you, the untrained, think you will fare better? I fully support being armed, but I also fully support a requirement that you be trained and proficient with the weapons you own. What responsible person would not want that? The person who cuts your hair had to prove their proficiency to do so, but the idea that a person who wants to own an AR-15 should not be required to be trained just flat fails to make sense.

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02-04-2013 05:19 AM  5 years agoPost 8
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Figured it wouldn't take long for some liberal ****tard to try to make political hay out of this. Just like with Newtown.
You are doing exactly what you just berated Albatross for doing.
Huh?? I accused the OP of slandering the fallen hero by headlining his run in with Ventura. I'm not making political hay out of anything. But are you really trying to argue that an untrained person stands a better chance in a deadly fire incident than a highly trained person does?? If so, the military needs to stop wasting all this money on training and just give 'em a gun and ship them out!!

See, you can actually make a point without calling people names. Try it some time.

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02-04-2013 05:21 AM  5 years agoPost 9
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Untrained + unarmed=?

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02-04-2013 05:28 AM  5 years agoPost 10
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Point being (one more time) if highly trained and well armed professionals end up shot/killed what makes you, the untrained, think you will fare better? I fully support being armed, but I also fully support a requirement that you be trained and proficient with the weapons you own. What responsible person would not want that? The person who cuts your hair had to prove their proficiency to do so, but the idea that a person who wants to own an AR-15 should not be required to be trained just flat fails to make sense.
I don't agree. There is only one reason why:

"Shall Not Be Infringed"

Thats very simple. Our gun registration in the USA is the 2nd Amendment. Period.

in·fringedin·fring·ing
Definition of INFRINGE
transitive verb
1
: to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another <infringe a patent>
2
obsolete : defeat, frustrate
intransitive verb
: encroach —used with on or upon <infringe on our rights>
— in·fring·er noun

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Thats really not to hard to understand.

Besides, if the loony politicians think that registering these type of weapons and requiring training will stop the mass killings we have seen the last 20 years or so, they are stupid, careless and irrational with that type of thinking. We are a gun culture. Have been for well over 200 years and since our inception. Thats not going to change.

You cannot completely stop those type of killings here in the USA any more than you can stop suicide bombers in the middle east. Its impossible. Especially when our courts and our foolish legislation only affects law abiding citizens and not the criminals. Use that type of legislation against the criminals and the crazies and you might have some impact. But, you still cannot stop it entirely.

The federal government needs to keep their dumb asses out of our business and let the states take care of their own.

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02-04-2013 05:32 AM  5 years agoPost 11
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fwiw..

On faring better..

Armed...possibly
Unarmed...definitely not...

Picture a level playing field.......

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02-04-2013 06:17 AM  5 years agoPost 12
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Well trained - good chance
Untrained - very little chance

Again John, I am NOT arguing about being armed or not. But an untrained armed person is a danger mostly to themselves and others. Simply possessing a firearm does not confer some magical powers or knowledge.

Would you be willing to share the road with drivers who never took any driver's training or passed a proficiency test? How about untrained pilots?? But it is fine and dandy for Billy Bob the Bad a$$ to slap down his bucks and saunter forth to defend and protect himself and his family. No matter that he is far more likely to accidentally shoot himself or a family member. just look at the numbnuts who have shot themselves at gun shows the last couple of weeks!!

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02-04-2013 06:26 AM  5 years agoPost 13
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I don't agree. There is only one reason why:
"Shall Not Be Infringed"
As usual Dennis, you and others, constantly ignore the FIRST part of your favorite Amendment:

"A well regulated militia..."

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02-04-2013 06:37 AM  5 years agoPost 14
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As usual Dennis, you and others, constantly ignore the FIRST part of your favorite Amendment:
And, as usual, you guys ignore the fact that "A well regulated militia..." is not precisely defined.

So, myself and millions upon millions define "A well regulated militia..." as the American people themselves. We are the "Militia" We can be as "Well Regulated" as we choose.

Also please keep in mind that "A well regulated militia..." has absolutely nothing to do with "Shall Not Be Infringed".

The recent SCOTUS ruling in a Washington DC case ruled "Shall Not Be Infringed" without even mentioning "A well regulated militia..." in their ruling.

So, legally the 2nd Amendment is a 2 part lawful portion of the constitution. Until "A well regulated militia..." by the SCOTUS, then we, the American people can that portion of the 2nd Amendment the way we choose.

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02-04-2013 10:23 AM  5 years agoPost 15
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what makes you, the untrained
What makes you think I am untrained?...I did my 24 years active duty....did you?

Look,
I am not saying that being armed is a win all situation, but what you don't seem to understand is I would rather have a chance than none at all.

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02-04-2013 01:22 PM  5 years agoPost 16
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"A well regulated militia..."

"Regulated" meant prepared and in working order, not controlled and micro managed as in government "regulations". And Ventura is a weasel. Guns aren't shields or armor. Again the common thread is mental illness. This guy should have been under professional care.

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02-04-2013 02:01 PM  5 years agoPost 17
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This guy was a true patriot and hero. It is unfortunate that he died the way he did. Rest in peace brother, you have earned it. Semper Fi!

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02-04-2013 02:25 PM  5 years agoPost 18
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Just Like Some One Else We KNOW
Seems that all the Sleuth's :

Are Known as the : Purveyor's of :

Alibi's - The Excuse's for a EXIt

They always have a more than a few -

We can rest assured : That PATRIOT : KNEW THE COST of Liberty and Freedom - He did it for those that will follow ------

Thousand's will step up - That will be the Testimony

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02-04-2013 04:25 PM  5 years agoPost 19
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"Regulated" meant prepared and in working order
To be fair, "Regulated", which meant prepared and in working order would also imply "trained" to be in working order.

I'm not trying to take sides here. I actually find the debate interesting with valid points on both sides.

Personally, I lean more toward the "shall not be infringed" part with proper training to be encouraged.

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02-04-2013 05:27 PM  5 years agoPost 20
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To be fair, "Regulated", which meant prepared and in working order would also imply "trained" to be in working order.
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state" is stated as a reason "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". Not a qualification to meet before being armed.

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