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02-02-2013 08:28 PM  5 years agoPost 21
BobOD

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lol

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02-02-2013 08:35 PM  5 years agoPost 22
OICU812

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Well if anyone is using or needing bailout past their first season maybe another hobby is in order for a hobby I dunno. Guess I don't get how bailout is needed really. If one learns basic orientations properly and sets in chances are a switch will be too late for advanced move recovery as its been proven. I get where bailout is needed but past a few months to a season no I do not. Anyhow its cool a few systems have it for those that need or want it.

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02-02-2013 08:39 PM  5 years agoPost 23
BobOD

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When they catch up it is amazing how much the invest in advertising their "new" achievements.
Right on. Like I said, it's astonishing how many will forget all they have said, or think you forgot what they said, once this new achievement is made.

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02-02-2013 08:43 PM  5 years agoPost 24
OICU812

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Who will? Vbar, beast x, Futaba and many others they don't care about self levelling anyhow so who are you even speaking of?
Many systems can easily introduce this they choose not to that's why we have choices. Don't forget who invented FBL to begin with wasn't your love affair have a good weekend!!

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02-03-2013 12:38 AM  5 years agoPost 25
rbort

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Why you need bailout
You may think you don't need it, but maybe listen to episode 253 here:

http://www.allthingsthatfly.com/

for a story that might make it better to understand.

We can all be good pilots but sometimes you need help. I can tell you I've seen pros "lose it" in the lighting at a funfly event and put it behind the flight line in someone's tent. They are excellent pilots, flown many seasons, so how come he did that?? Should have never happened if you go by he's not a newbie or he's flown more than 1 season...

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02-03-2013 12:53 AM  5 years agoPost 26
OICU812

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Fair enough. Last season I seem far too many people take risks they shouldn't have cause they had "a bailout" option. None of the used that option quick enough. I understand what it's for however does it make people skip important basic steps? I think it does I've seen it in person.

Now as said good there's an option for those that want it. If that learning is up high and away from people I'm all for it.

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02-03-2013 01:29 AM  5 years agoPost 27
BobOD

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Why you need bailout
There's really no need to sweat this. It's silly to think it's not the next new feature on the block. Don't worry, when "they" have it to sell, it will be a needed feature for sure.
Personally, I've never actually used it (just never got around to setting mine up) but I have helped several people that did and they seemed to appreciate it quite a lot.

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02-03-2013 06:56 AM  5 years agoPost 28
GetToDaChopper

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Well if anyone is using or needing bailout past their first season maybe another hobby is in order for a hobby I dunno.
well no you dunno, you seem to think that you know the only way to enjoy this hobby, i'm sure there are alot of people whos end goal is to do 3D BUT there are just as many people that don't care about 3D and like myself just don't have the time to invest in becoming a heli master BUT they (and myself) enjoy the helis we own every bit as much as you 3D heli masters and i'm sorry but i for one am not going to let you or any 3D heli masters or anyone else for that matter tell me how i should enjoy my heli and this hobby, and i'm sure most if not all people who own a FBL controller with a "bail-out" Don't "need" it but want it and if it saves anyone even one crash then it's paid for itself, but as always you are wecome to your opinion.
chances are a switch will be too late for advanced move recovery as its been proven
been proven ??? that's simply not ture, i don't see how you could have somehow missed all the storys of people who have used the bail-out to save there helis from a crash many times over as have i.
Don't forget who invented FBL to begin with wasn't your love affair
so what, ford invented the car but fords arn't better then all the cars that are out there today........
Many systems can easily introduce this
that's what Spartan thought yet the vortex relested without it even thou they said it would have SL, and the MSH Brains SL has been hit or miss and i still don't think they have it working right to this day but i could be wrong about that as i don't own one of those, and so far there's only one system that has done it right and there "SL" works awsome and ALL the time, every time, saying that many systems can easily introduce this just isn't ture because other than HeliCommand all the "other" SL players need to have 3 acc chips added to there systems, it's not just a matter of firmware programing......

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02-03-2013 07:07 AM  5 years agoPost 29
OICU812

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Like I said if you love and actually use it great. I prefer other things as features or benefits is all.

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02-03-2013 07:25 AM  5 years agoPost 30
GetToDaChopper

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i don't know if i would use the word "love" it, but i do like it.....

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02-03-2013 07:37 AM  5 years agoPost 31
TomC

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I think I know Shawn pretty well (+6 years) by now (great guy and a very experienced E-heli guy to boot imho). I really think he's kinda 'stiring the pot' here so don't take all this too seriously, lol!

One thing you might want to do Shawn is fly and compare the HC Extreme fbl-only system and see how it compares with your V-bar. You might be surprised?

I think that all of us that have actually had experience with the hc3sx captain rescue (horiz leveling with col. pitch) realise the benefit of this feature. Other systems that do not have this feature are a waste of time imho since they do not take the heli away from danger.

However, I'd like to add that NO bailout feature is ever going to save you in the event of a mechanical and/or electrical/electronic failure (all you then have is failsafe). The ability to react fast enough to hit the 'rescue' button/switch is also a factor.

Also, I might add that imho it is important to be able to properly setup and fly a fbl heli to begin with before you venture into these rescue modes. I really think that they should be aimed at the intermediate, or above heli flyer. Otherwise, without a lot of local hands-on help, a newbie is likely to find that these system end up causing more crashes than they prevent.

I'm not saying that a little horiz leveling (low gains) would not be useful for a sub-intermediate guy, but to run them on high gains so it feels like a coaxial heli is silly and he might as well be flying a cheap little coaxial heli to begin with imho.

Anyway, just my $0.02 worth.

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02-03-2013 07:42 AM  5 years agoPost 32
GetToDaChopper

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lol,i am cool calm and collected and i agree with everything you said.......

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02-03-2013 02:37 PM  5 years agoPost 33
Stephen Born

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Don't knock it until you've tried it.

I have owned the 3G, 3GX, V-Bar, and HC3-SX. The HC3-SX tops all of them.

My personal opinion of course.

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02-03-2013 03:15 PM  5 years agoPost 34
Ronald Thomas

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See I have owned/flown all of those and more and the VBAR is tops for me. Really is personal preference to a point. Align stuff really not in the same league.

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02-03-2013 03:24 PM  5 years agoPost 35
Stephen Born

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I agree Ron. It's all personal preference AND Align does not compare with the German products. (Mikado, HeliCommand)

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02-03-2013 03:55 PM  5 years agoPost 36
BobOD

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so it feels like a coaxial heli is silly and he might as well be flying a cheap little coaxial heli to begin with imho
Tom, I was helping a guy who was having trouble transitioning from sym to the real thing. He tried coaxial mode and this seemed to help him get used to the idea of controlling the real thing. It was a 600 and you wouldn't get that from a cheap coaxial heli (actually, he had one). Granted he didn't use it for very long but it helped him in that stage. Everyone's a little different.
After that, I agree with you 100%. You need to be a good pilot to use rescue effectively. It becomes a tool and you need to be skilled to effectively use any tool.

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