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01-31-2013 07:17 PM  5 years agoPost 1
doctor

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Hi all,

Posting a video of my rap 50, where i do invert using aileron flip...I am confident of flipping to right side. However, when i flip to left i always loose orientation or basically theres is a rudder input...This led to a crash in the end in this video...

Watch at YouTube

Any tips on how to improve flips and my flying. I am doing it on sim, easily. its always some rudder input which causes a problem for me.

There are no instructors here or a flying school here in New Delhi , India. Moreover, i am a weekend flier due to time constraints.

Thanks in advance..

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01-31-2013 07:26 PM  5 years agoPost 2
wrongler

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My guess on orientation is the heli seems to be quite a ways away from you. Try to keep it a little closer but at a safe distance.
The only other thing is practice as much as you can and keep up the flying on the sim when ever you get the chance! If you can't do it on the sim with confidence don't try it with your heli!
Sorry about the crash! Good luck flying it looks like your doing pretty good!.

Bill Whittaker

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01-31-2013 07:33 PM  5 years agoPost 3
chikoseye

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Your engine sounds way too lean..
about the flip, either left or right I think you need to familiarize first all orientation in normal hovering. If you mastered all orientation(tail in,nose in, left, right) then you can start the figure 8 exercises. If you are comfortable enough with all of these then its time to jump on basic sport flying. You are risking your heli and everyone around you every time if you jumps into one process to another. Good thing no one is hurt.

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01-31-2013 07:42 PM  5 years agoPost 4
doctor

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Your engine sounds way too lean..
about the flip, either left or right I think you need to familiarize first all orientation in normal hovering. If you mastered all orientation(tail in,nose in, left, right) then you can start the figure 8 exercises. If you are comfortable enough with all of these then its time to jump on basic sport flying. You are risking your heli and everyone around you every time if you jumps into one process to another. Good thing no one is hurt.
Hi,

In upright flying i am confident in FF, i do figure of eights n all orientations are clear to me in nose in and tail in..I am practicing loops, rolls, stall turns..

Also, practicing backward flying on mcpx..

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01-31-2013 07:50 PM  5 years agoPost 5
chikoseye

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Don't get me wrong, but I saw the video,. you could have been save the heli when it start to turn clockwise inverted. If you are comfortable with all orientation then this will not happen. Unless the rudder servo or gyro fails we can call it mechanical failure, otherwise clearly pilot error..

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01-31-2013 08:00 PM  5 years agoPost 6
thenewguy

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If you are going to practise new maneuvers at the field..... a good rule of thumb is 3 mistakes high.

If you are high enough to make 3 mistakes you most likely can recover the heli before it hits the ground.

Other then that sim sim sim sim sim sim.

Thanks,
Chris

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01-31-2013 08:01 PM  5 years agoPost 7
McKrackin

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Don't get me wrong, but I saw the video,. you could have been save the heli when it start to turn clockwise inverted. If you are comfortable with all orientation then this will not happen. Unless the rudder servo or gyro fails we can call it mechanical failure, otherwise clearly pilot error..
That whole post makes no sense whatsoever....

The OP knows it was pilot error and is asking for tips to learn going inverted to the left.

YOUR post is just a cheap shot.

The only way to learn inverted is to do it and there will be accidents.

The OP was doing really well in my opinion...The crack about "Good thing no one is hurt"....that was uncalled for.

To the OP...

I think the best way to get over your particular hump is to avoid it for now.
Roll right to inverted...like you are already comfortable.
Then work on orientations while inverted.

Before you go to roll left to inverted...try continuing your roll right...I mean,roll right to inverted and then continue to roll right to upright.

Baby steps.
Work on inverted slow pirouettes before rolling left again

I literally never use the word literally right.

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01-31-2013 08:15 PM  5 years agoPost 8
doctor

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Don't get me wrong, but I saw the video,. you could have been save the heli when it start to turn clockwise inverted. If you are comfortable with all orientation then this will not happen. Unless the rudder servo or gyro fails we can call it mechanical failure, otherwise clearly pilot error..
I agree that it was my frozen thumb...The problem was loss of orientation..I kept thinking bout how to correct the tail on my inverted heli...N meanwhile it kept loosing height n crashed..Had i given more negative, i could have got chance to save it,o.e flipped it our into upright coz in upright i know all orientations...

@thenewguy: Rito, height is my friend at this stage but i love flying the heli close to myself and low. (Not dangerously close though)

@McKrackin: Thanx a lot..I will try to first learn a stationary invert and then pirouette...

The whole point of creating this thread is :

At one stage ur were also at a similar point. How did u guys practice or what all steps u followed..I mean FF,stall, circles, loops, rolls, inverts, upright pirouette are clear to me (Still practice n try to refine them).

?

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01-31-2013 08:46 PM  5 years agoPost 9
Funky Trex

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Stationary slow controlled circles helped my flying more than any 'tricks' I have learned. When you can correct the heli from any orientation without over-thinking it, your overall flying will vastly improve.

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01-31-2013 08:48 PM  5 years agoPost 10
Simmer

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Your doing good, keep it up. No one mentioned a bail out strategy. KNow what you will do if you get into an uncomfortable attitude.

so if your rolling left you bail out might berol back right to level and positive pitch. Something like that.

Then practice your roll out or recovery technique at altitude, till you feel its automatic. THEN do your invert on a left roll

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01-31-2013 08:57 PM  5 years agoPost 11
Noobyflyer

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Looking pretty good there.

I would just spend more time on the sim, keep it higher, and back off the D/R on the A and the E to make it a little less twitchy.....and a little bit of expo on both as well.

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01-31-2013 11:33 PM  5 years agoPost 12
doctor

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Thanx guys..

This is a great forum. All fliers are ready to help.

Someday,i will represent my country in a heli smackdown..I know that dream is very very far. I just believe it will happen.

Regards

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02-01-2013 04:56 AM  5 years agoPost 13
Roger Rocket

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What everyone said, good advice. I had the same problem, Sim was great, on the real Heli, FEAR! No fear on the Sim. So I got a bailout system, the Co-pilot II. Hardly ever use it at all, but it took the fear away of disoriention. I know from other posts also, that the HeliCommand bail out system is excellent. I would look into those two systems. My opinion anyway.

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02-01-2013 05:13 AM  5 years agoPost 14
AWittleWabbit

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You are doing well. It looked like the tail swung on you when rolling, putting you at inverted nose in.

If you have a sim, practice inverted all directions. I practice on the sim by doing slow piros inverted. The point being, you must be comfortable with the heli pointed in any direction. This applies to upright as well.

Also if you are inadvertently applying rudder, try tightening your stick tension on the rudder only.

Heli-itis sufferer.

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02-01-2013 05:37 AM  5 years agoPost 15
doctor

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Yup, its inadvertent rudder which troubles me.

But, i have been flying with the same tension on the rudder for more than 2 years..

If i change it, aint that going to affect flying?

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02-01-2013 06:55 AM  5 years agoPost 16
AWittleWabbit

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It will somewhat. However, more tension on the rudder axis of the stick may help prevent you from inadvertently adding rudder while moving the collective.

Heli-itis sufferer.

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02-01-2013 09:27 AM  5 years agoPost 17
McKrackin

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A little expo on the rudder will accomplish the same thing.

Watching the video again and it looks like you may have made a backwards correction on the rudder when you rolled in a less than comfortable direction...then brain freeze led it to the ground...I have done the exact same thing.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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02-01-2013 10:44 AM  5 years agoPost 18
Eleven_Bravo

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When you truly understand orientations you will be able to fly out of that situation. Knowing your orientations is the basis of every maneuver. There is a difference between knowing an orierntation and being able to fly it indefinatly and only being able to maintain it for a few moments before needing to bail out.

You did the same thing I did to destroy my first R50 when I first started flying(flying over your head). Your concentrating so hard that you move both sticks at the same time. When I look at that video I see both left aileron and left rudder at the same time. The only way to work that out is on the sim. Do not try things on your R50 that you have not tried 1000 times and completed successfully on the sim. When you feel comfortable in a maneuver all of the both hands reacting stuff will stop. Just like me when you get your hand eye coordination under control you will stop crashing.

Add some positive collective when you start your flip and roll this will help you from falling as you transition to negative collective. Everything you practice practice it in both directions do not be like me I can fly backwards inverted to the right but not to the left because I only practiced in one direction when I first started wanting to learn it. With enough practice I will overcome that too. Good luck with your R50 I hope the crash was not too destructive raptors are great machines.

ENGAGE!!

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02-02-2013 03:37 AM  5 years agoPost 19
doctor

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Lots n lots of sim practice to be done...

Hmmm..I am thinking of practicing box flying also, first on mcpx...then on 450 n then on rap 50..

Stationary invert hover to be practiced and then, slow inverted piros.

In the crash as usual boom, blades, flybar, main gear, landing struts...got destroyed..

But, when repaired there was a clicking noise when head was rotating..I think the one way clutch is making that noise coz clicking noise comes at specific interval not like the usual bearing hummm...

Hopefully will be in air tommorow
.

Regards

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02-02-2013 10:37 PM  5 years agoPost 20
Eleven_Bravo

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The clicking noise could also be a damaged bearing or a damaged or broken gear tooth.

ENGAGE!!

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