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01-28-2013 11:59 PM  5 years agoPost 1
michael88997

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Lewisville,Tx

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Ok so first all please no nitro vs electric talk, I currently have a logo 500 and love it, bought 2 more packs so now I have 4... I have really missed nitro but never wanted to pay for gas for a 50 size

I have had a lot of interest in the nx4 cause its size, power, and it's nitro, even though it does seem a little expensive, I would spend more on it than I did on my logo

I was thinking of selling my current Heli and using that to buy the nx4 but worried I would regret it,

Also thinking of using my tax return and buying it but worries about having a nitro and electric being a pain and one getting neglected...

Can anybody that has both give their opinions, I've been going back and forward a lot

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01-29-2013 12:07 AM  5 years agoPost 2
ticedoff8

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Morgan Hill, CA. USA

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With the current state of battery / ESC technology, staying with a nitro is like asking "Is a flybar better than flybarless?"

I've been flying nitro for 30 years. I currently fly 2 Raptor 90 SE converted to FBL. I am ready to get out of nitro.

Tuning an electric drive system is like tuning FBL - it is easy, reliable and repeatable. No changing gear ratios, no lean runs, no retuning needles for weather changes, no broken crankshafts (for no good reason).

Converting to electric vs staying with nitro is now at the same point where the first, reliable, tail rotor gyros were coming on the scene. The old-school said it took away from the experiance of the helis - and then there were the rest of us that said "Yeah, but now I can actually fly it".

Head to the e-side and don't look back.

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01-29-2013 12:13 AM  5 years agoPost 3
michael88997

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Lewisville,Tx

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Ya I just miss having a engine to tune and hearing the piston .

I was also thinking of buying something like a little nitro car Just to mess with nitro.... hobby king has one that's 80 bucks

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01-29-2013 12:17 AM  5 years agoPost 4
McKrackin

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Lucasville,Ohio

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Ignore people who say nitro is a bad idea for you...They have no way of knowing that...and you already know you miss it.

It is the greatest thing I have experienced in my time in the hobby.
Some people are too prissy about a little oil and too lazy to turn a carb needle two clicks twice a year.

I have had both but ditched the electrics because I hate baby sitting lipo chargers.

That's just me though...I also have no way of knowing what you'd like or what you wouldn't.

The NX4 is an AWESOME little heli and I will have one soon.

If you think you'd enjoy it,buy it.
It will fly super cheap...About as cheap as any electric.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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01-29-2013 12:59 AM  5 years agoPost 5
altima1779

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Toledo, oh u.s

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I have dumped nitro and gone all electric several different times.

I some how always come back to nitro.

2012 birds

Trex 500
Trex 550
Goblin 700
Compass 7hv
ENV/ballistic 700
Blade 130x
Blade mcpx
Blade Nano cpx

My current heli fleet 2013

Evo 50 nitro (flybar)
Gaui Nx4
Compass 7hv ( sold pending )
Soon will have a Goblin 500
Nano cpx ( have bls on order )
Blade 130x
Gonna get the mcpx double bls

Fly what you want. Nitro and flybar helis are still a ton of fun to fly.

I am really looking forward to the gaui Nx4 for the simple fact you can get 15 flights per gallon.

The Last year I did FAI contest flying I went through 20 gallons in two weeks. That was my main reason for going to electric on my big birds. I am kinda over needing two 6s packs for each flight.

I like the 6s and smaller electrics because you can afford to have enough packs not to need to drag the generator every time you go out.

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01-29-2013 01:03 AM  5 years agoPost 6
michael88997

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Lewisville,Tx

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ya the flights per gallon is why i was looking at the nx4 also... i have 4 6s 5000 packs for my logo and get 5 min per pack, but i have always missed the smell, and sound of the motor, and I just love messing with engines of any size... and the nx4 seems to have plenty of power stock...

I started doing my taxes and I should have plenty of funds to buy the nx4 and I might just keep both and see which one i like flying more...

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01-29-2013 01:07 AM  5 years agoPost 7
aceisback

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Terre Haute, IN

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1+ for what McKrackin said.

If you want nitro, then do it. You can have fun with either nitro or electric. I have some electrics (both helis and planks), but I also hate spending time charging Lipos when I can be flying instead.

And it does not take but a few seconds to wipe the heli down at the end of the day. A little oil on the metal parts isn't going to hurt anything anyway.

You sound like you miss nitro, so by all means, get back in the game and have fun with what you truly want to do.

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01-29-2013 01:11 AM  5 years agoPost 8
Stephen Born

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USA

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You will find both nitro and electric die-hard pilots giving their explanations of why you should choose N or E.
I currently have a logo 500 and love it,... I have really missed nitro
Your statement above indicates you have flown both. Out of N or E, what did you prefer?

There is no right or wrong answers, it's all personal preference. Just remember, it's a hobby and all about having fun and enjoying yourself.

Good luck!

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01-29-2013 01:24 AM  5 years agoPost 9
michael88997

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Lewisville,Tx

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Your statement above indicates you have flown both. Out of N or E, what did you prefer?
well back when i started flying helis it was you buy a raptor 30 then 90 and that was it... so i had a raptor 30, then moved to a pantera 50... but owned both of those helis when nitro was 10 bucks a gallon...

after that i got into electrics, I do like the power and just plug and fly of them, but dont really like charging 4 5000 packs....

basically I just like messing with engines, I could listen to a nitro engine idle all day long... I actually like tuning and I get excited when its time to change the oil in my car...

the way its looking now with my tax return I think I might just buy a nx4 and keep the logo also, if i end up not flying it then I could always sell it later

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01-29-2013 01:27 AM  5 years agoPost 10
McKrackin

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Lucasville,Ohio

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the way its looking now with my tax return I think I might just buy a nx4 and keep the logo also, if i end up not flying it then I could always sell it later
That is by far the best idea.

Keep the one you like...I have a feeling it will be both.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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01-29-2013 01:32 AM  5 years agoPost 11
michael88997

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Lewisville,Tx

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ya thats what im leanings towards... last year was my first full time working year out of college so gotta celebrate somehow

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01-29-2013 01:34 AM  5 years agoPost 12
Noobyflyer

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Clearwater, FL

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I think you should definitely go with the NX4.

Now that that's out of the way, what do you want for the Logo 500?

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01-29-2013 01:35 AM  5 years agoPost 13
dkshema

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Cedar Rapids, IA

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I was thinking of selling my current Heli and using that to buy the nx4 but worried I would regret it,
If you're worried you would regret it, then more than likely you WOULD regret it.
worries about having a nitro and electric being a pain and one getting neglected
But you have control over when and what you fly. You like your Logo, I doubt you'll forget it and fly just the NX4. And I doubt you'd just fly the Logo and forget just the NX4.

Having nitro AND electric helis is NOT a pain. You already have the support equipment for electric stuff. Add a starter, a fuel pump, and put a SwitchGlo on the NX4, you have all you need to support nitro, too. A gallon of fuel for an OZ 37 SZ-H will go quite a long way.

Both heli types offer different challenges. Both are fun machines. I don't bother to read the N vs E threads because for me, there IS no N vs E question. I like them both.

I own about 15 helis at present, a couple are stuffed into scale fuselages, of the 13 remaining, four are nitro (an NX4, a couple of 600N's and a 700N). The remainder are electric -- ranging from a Blade MCPx, a couple of 250's, several 450's, a 500, a 550, and a 600.

When I load up the car for an afternoon of flying, I put in as many as will fit. The Scale stuff usually stays home -- it takes up room and I just find them less "fun" than the rest of the pack. Everything gets a shot a flying. Having the nitro stuff helps stretch out the batteries for electric stuff.

There is nothing that says you can only have electric OR only have nitro powered stuff.

My most recent acquisition, thanks to Santa Claus, was the Gaui NX4. the build was very very nice, the kit is well executed, things fit properly, and overall it is an enjoyable kit to build. Mine's been finished for several weeks now and I am itching to fly it. Unfortunately, the weather here just plain sucks.

You say the NX4 is expensive. That's a relative term, as the quality of the kit is truly remarkable. Your Logo wasn't necessarily a bargain basement find, was it? The bare bones kit is not THAT expensive, and well worth the money.

If you can swing it, keep your Logo and fly it. But don't hedge about adding an NX4 to your gaggle. If you want it and can afford it, then indulge yourself. Then enjoy it. And your Logo, too.

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A typical load out for a day of flying (a couple of years ago, the pack has grown since then):

And living proof that nitro and electric can exist side by side -- my Trex 500 and Gaui NX4. No helis were harmed while shooting these pictures:

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* Making the World Better -- One Helicopter at a time! *

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01-29-2013 01:48 AM  5 years agoPost 14
BladeScrape

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Warren OH. US

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Love love love the NX4. And I have been a electric guy flying logos for a few years now .

Bladescrape

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01-29-2013 02:08 AM  5 years agoPost 15
McKrackin

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Lucasville,Ohio

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Well....if nothing else comes of this thread....you guys have effectively pushed me over the edge....Will be ordering the NX4 as soon as the tax refund is deposited in the bank....Turbo Tax filed tonight

I literally never use the word literally right.

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01-29-2013 02:11 AM  5 years agoPost 16
michael88997

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Lewisville,Tx

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i have to wait on my taxes for a couple of days but i did part 1 so i know i will have enough now... I was thinking if i get one to put align ds515's... not sure if I want to get another mini-v or try the ikon.... but i think i will probably get one also

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01-29-2013 02:22 AM  5 years agoPost 17
altima1779

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Toledo, oh u.s

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I have the Ikon on mine, pretty easy to setup. I did run into a few issues trying to use the aux channel.

I have only done a test hover in my very small back yard so can not comment on how well it works.

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01-29-2013 02:46 AM  5 years agoPost 18
jesse

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Houston, TX.

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I went all electric bout 7 years ago, I thought I would never go back. but I was checking black friday deals and ended up picking up an nx4 for a steal. The next day I was asking myself was I insane. In the last month or so I have a little over 50 flights on it (with a two week down time due to a crash). When I take it out I get more flying done for what ever reason, But what I notice more then anything is the added 2 minutes of flight. It doesn't have the power of my electrics but it has plenty of power and takes me back to collective managment that I think I have lost a little of over the years of more and more powerful electrics. the other thing is while it's not a mcpx crashing does matter, I fly it like I hate it. I just keep beating on this heli and it takes asking for more. I plowed it full negative on the nose, didn't bend not one shaft just boom,blades,and canopy.

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01-29-2013 02:53 AM  5 years agoPost 19
dkshema

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Cedar Rapids, IA

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Mine has DS515s on the swash and throttle, a DS525 on the tail, and I've installed a 3GX controller with a couple of satellites. I'm using Hyperion 1450 mah LiFePo4 batteries, no regulator. I installed a SwitchGlo for the glow plug heat.

I had planned to use Hitec 7245 and 7235 servos as their specs were great and they would run off 7.4V directly. I was going to use a 2S LiPo for power. The servos, however, are too small to fit (about three millimeters too short - across the mounting lugs). I could have fit one for rudder and one for throttle with a minor amount of work, the three remaining swash servos would have taken a bit more time to fit properly. There is a fellow over on the HF site who has fitted these servos, but it wasn't clear how he got the swash servos mounted.

Bobby Watts says they are working on some alternate servo mounts to accommodate other servos, as for some reason, manufacturers haven't quite settled on dimensions for this particular class of servo.

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Beware that there is a recall in progress on the tail rotor pitch slider as the one supplied in the kit has apparently been preassembled at the factory using too much torque. This appears to have stressed some of the brass parts in the pitch slider, causing them to fail. It's not a biggie, but something to at least beware of when buying the kit. I contact Ron Lund at HeliProz South (where Santa shopped) about this, he contacted the distributor -- Empire RC. The "new" parts are in the works, so it will take a short time to get the slider replaced. If in doubt, contact EmpireRC directly.

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01-29-2013 03:45 AM  5 years agoPost 20
Nasty1

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Enf,Ct-USA

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Because of the winter, I never know when it's a good time to fly, the NX4 flight pack can be charged during the car trip to the field.

being outside for 4 hours at 20 degrees, and flying my 12s with cold packs, the performance is lacking. out of 2 flights one pack puffed.

Long live my NX4, this heli is awesome even on 15% nitro.

the only electric that I flown this past weekend was a 450, everything else was nitro.

for some reason, it's just easier to fly nitro on cold days, than worry about puffing up the expensive packs.

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