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01-29-2013 03:25 PM  5 years agoPost 81
rexxigpilot

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Doesn't use DR? Whether the FBL system uses the TX or internal adjustments to limit the maximum servo throws, it's still limiting the maximum control output of the servos. The difference is the TX DR truncates the signal width like Endpoints (ATVs) adjustment to reduce throw. For instance, if TX Endpoint (ATVs) are say maxed out at ±140 and DR is set to ±100, the signal output width may be 900µS to 2100µS (center being 1520S). By using a 50% DR in the TX the output signal width becomes 310µS to 1810µS (half the value away from center value as before). A FBL system using internal adjustment maintains full signal width of 900µS to 2100µS to the BOMK.

What this means is the TX DR will reduce the resolution somewhat by limiting the pulse width, while there is no reduction in resolution using the FBL unit internal limiting. However, I seriously doubt anyone could notice the difference.

I don't have the Ikon, but do have the MSH Brain which is the same for all practical purposes. It is a very good FBL system which uses high rate gyros (900°/S, I believe) instead of the 500°/S gyros used on some older FBL units. The setup is slick with Basic and Advanced setup menus. It is like what Futaba tried to do with their CGY750 but got wrong since a non-computer based setup this complex gets unwieldy. And the Ikon/Brain setup can get very complicated if desired. Fortunately there are tool tip help pop-ups to guide you through the plethora of adjustable parameters available in the Advanced menus. Most will never need to go into the Advanced menus, but it's nice to have the flexibility for the tweakers among us.

Someone mentioned the plastic case of the Ikon being a bad thing. The plastic case is very solid. It is not some cheap, thin plastic case that will likely crack. It will also help the electronics survive a crash better than a metal case as plastic is better at absorbing impact shock. Speaking of quality, someone mentioned that a metal case looks higher quality. Well, I also have the SK540. It has a metal case. Unfortunately, the top is dented (concave) slightly from the pressing together with the bottom case half during the manufacturing process. I sent it back to the retailer when I got it thinking I got a defective unit. They opened several boxes to find that all the cases were slightly depressed. That's not a very high quality look to me. I had them send me back the unit. It flies very well despite the dent.

My only complaint about the Brain/Ikon is it has connection ports on 4 sides of the unit when using Spektrum satellites. This can make it more challenging to fit it on a 450 size heli and still get to all ports. It would be better if they could move the USB port to the side with the governor sensor port.

We are very fortunate to have so many great FBL systems available now. I can remember just a few short years ago when a Futaba 611 was the ultimate tail gyro. It cost around $400 back then. For around half that price we now get superior gyros on three axes (often with 3 accelerometers too), sophisticated programming software and a built-in governor all in a footprint about one half the size of the 611's amplifier. Life is good in the FBL world!

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01-29-2013 04:14 PM  5 years agoPost 82
ebonicrobot

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East Bay, CA

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I looked in the instructions and didn't find anything that allows you to change the modes. When I went through the setup for the Ikon, it specifically has a menu to set up three specific modes tailored to what I want. I read through the beastx instructions and found no such thing.
No it wouldn't be in the BeastX menu. You have to set your beast to Transmitter mode and then set your TX to change the D/R with a flick of a switch.

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01-29-2013 04:52 PM  5 years agoPost 83
Solmanbandit

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Tucson , AZ

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See that I one thing I like about the Ikon is that I can tailor it through the gyro and makes it simple.

Trex 700E / Trex 500 ESP - Ikon/ HD 500 - Ikon 2/ Goblin 500 Ikon 2

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01-29-2013 08:09 PM  5 years agoPost 84
DEDO

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FREDERICA, DE.

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Is any one using the Brain/Icon on a Gasser?

I am looking for a unit that has a Reliable Bailout/self leval,
and a Govenor.

I am currently using a CGY-750 v1.31 Very Happily, but age and eye site have caught up and im thinking about one of the units with
Bailout/self leval.

If HC3-SX had a gov I would be using one.

The SK 720 would never maintain self leval, Tried so many tapes
and plate combinations,and tired of waiting for Skookums empty promises of the Black edition and the GPS.

So whats Next???

Peace Out BOBBY D.
"GOBLIN PRo GASSER"
ZeN G290,HC3SX,MKS,
Maidened 8/24/12 FL

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01-29-2013 09:55 PM  5 years agoPost 85
Solmanbandit

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If you want bail out, then you need the brain or a heli command. The Ikon has a self level, but not bail out.

Trex 700E / Trex 500 ESP - Ikon/ HD 500 - Ikon 2/ Goblin 500 Ikon 2

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01-29-2013 10:07 PM  5 years agoPost 86
Stephen Born

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If HC3-SX had a gov I would be using one.
That's what the Kontronik's for.

Edit: In re-reading your post, you are mentioning a gov. for a gasser. A Kontronik would serve no purpose for your application. My apology for not reading your post more carefully.

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01-30-2013 02:53 AM  5 years agoPost 87
DEDO

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FREDERICA, DE.

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How many of the Icon owners have the unit installed on a Gasser??

Does the Icon have pinpoint gyro sensors?

Peace Out BOBBY D.
"GOBLIN PRo GASSER"
ZeN G290,HC3SX,MKS,
Maidened 8/24/12 FL

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02-18-2013 01:45 AM  5 years agoPost 88
irwinfc

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bangkok, thailand

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i guess an aluminum case is still the way to go.

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02-18-2013 03:07 AM  5 years agoPost 89
NQNA

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Crash damage?

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02-18-2013 05:52 AM  5 years agoPost 90
GetToDaChopper

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Las Vegas , NV

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The SK 720 would never maintain self leval
The Brain/Icon will be similar because they both use vibration sensitive IMU accel systems......

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02-18-2013 11:12 PM  5 years agoPost 91
ThumbBumper

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A little to the right and down!

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I'm really surprised that there hasn't been that much talk about the CGY-750. The new software is something else. Simple set up, no need to lug a laptop around. Basic set up allows you numerous choices from scale all the way up to hard 3D.

The best part about it is if you don't like the basic settings, just go into the advanced menus and tweek it until you get what you are looking for. Even at that, unless you are looking for something very specific, the basic options available will most likely work just fine for the majority of users.

The unit also has the governor function as part of the unit unlike the V-Bar where you have to buy the upgrade to get that function. Head speed set up is a snap as well. You pretty much dial in your head speed and your done.

I've always been a Fan of Futaba products, and this controller is no exception.

Bob

If it ain't broke, go fly some more!
http://facebook.com/groups/TORCHS/

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02-18-2013 11:20 PM  5 years agoPost 92
Steff Giguere

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St-Eustache, Quebec, Canada

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You guys make me laugh when you say that you don't need to lug a computer to the field. You lug your computer only the first time around, then you never have to touch the V-bar again, therefore no need to lug a computer. I also have the field hand held programmer, therefore if I want to change pitch or gain or almost anything else it's easily done with this great tool.
Most of you guys need to lug a computer anyway for your Castle Creations ESC programming.

Team Synergy, Rail blades, Team Scorpion, V-Team

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02-18-2013 11:59 PM  5 years agoPost 93
ThumbBumper

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A little to the right and down!

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The point being, you still need additional equipment!!!

If it ain't broke, go fly some more!
http://facebook.com/groups/TORCHS/

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02-19-2013 12:03 AM  5 years agoPost 94
3dgimble

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Rochester

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True about once you setup a FBL system, but I had it very difficult for those first few 80 flights to get it close to where I wanted my 5.3 pro vbar on each heli. I need the option to adjust without rigging up software and plugging stuff up. CGY and BeastX has what I need.

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02-19-2013 12:20 AM  5 years agoPost 95
Gary H

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3dgimble, you must have not set it up properly if it took that many flights to get it where you wanted. I have set up 3 helies and helped on 4 more, they are performing just great on the V-Bar without rigging nothing up! We have all had good performance from the V-Bar here in MINN.

Gary H

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02-19-2013 12:28 AM  5 years agoPost 96
3dgimble

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I am not a daft but when you have almost infinite possibilities with the pro, it gets hard to dial in to what you become accustomed to.

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02-19-2013 12:33 AM  5 years agoPost 97
3dgimble

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We have all had good performance from the V-Bar here in MINN.
Were all moving to MINN!

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02-19-2013 01:41 AM  5 years agoPost 98
d_wheel

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Deep in the heart of Texas.

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You guys make me laugh when you say that you don't need to lug a computer to the field. You lug your computer only the first time around, then you never have to touch the V-bar again
I see them setting their computers up every time they fly. I guess some people are just never satisfied with the way their heli flies.

Later;

D.W.

Gettin old aint for sissies!

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02-19-2013 02:37 AM  5 years agoPost 99
rexxigpilot

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Florida

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I have four helis with V-Bar currently. I never bring my laptop to the field to adjust anything once it is setup initially. The intial setup is always done in one or two trips to the field. That's it!

Same can be said for my MSH Brain and SK 540 FBL systems that use a computer for setup. Once they are set, you can forget about them.

I tend not to adjust my CGY750 and GT5 units any more frequently, eventhough the programing is built-in and there is no need for a laptop. My point is that if you are a constant tweeker, then you will be adjusting setting no matter which FBL system you have, and no matter how well the heli is flying. That's just your nature, not that of the FBL system.

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02-19-2013 03:58 AM  5 years agoPost 100
3dgimble

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That's just your nature, not that of the FBL system.
I am glad you added that Sir, because I can confidently say that if I put a Microbeast on any heli it never takes more than 1-3 packs to tune it to fly with me.

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