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01-13-2013 04:14 PM  7 years ago
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Vermillionx

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Need some advice on helping a beginner.
I am currently away with the military and one of my guys saw me flying my 450 the other day. Now he really wants to get into the hobby. I have been trying to steer him in the right direction with getting his first model. I have been having a little bit of trouble in telling him what size to get. Him and I are both set on him getting a flybar for the ease of Radd's school, but we are crossed between the 500 and a 450. I am leaning towards the 500 because of the wind here and it would be more stable. Which one would you guys recommend? Cost is not really an issue for either one for him.

We have the Tx picked out already. He will be going with the DX7s. It is pretty much along the same lines as my DX7 which he really likes. Also, how would you guys start him off. This is my first time teaching someone how to fly. I am going to cross the schools of Radd and Rchelicopterfun.com's. I like both of them I just think combining them will help him out a lot more than just one. Not to mention I will be there giving him guidance.

Also, I have gone back to the basics and really started working on my hover again. Just so I can give little tips and make myself a subject matter expert. We have a sim for him so that is not a problem either.

Do you guys think that I am on the right track to helping my guy become successful or is there something else that I should look int?

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01-13-2013 04:18 PM  7 years ago
HeliNutAndy

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The bigger the better
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01-13-2013 04:36 PM  7 years ago
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I think you are on the right track. A 500 would be an excellent size for a beginner. The bigger, the more stable, but the more dangerous and costly to fix also. If there is going to be alot of crashes, it will be much easier to digest than expensive parts for a large heli.

I used both Radd's and rchelicopterfun's website and bought some of the training material and never regretted it. They helped me immensely with setups and understanding what to do to make a great flying heli; that is imperative when learning.
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01-13-2013 04:46 PM  7 years ago
FenderBean

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I would vote for the 500-550. I carried both to Iraq with me and the 450 just sat, plus the 500 is much easier to practice autos on(if they ever plan on a nitro).
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01-13-2013 04:56 PM  7 years ago
Vermillionx

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A 550 is too expensive for him. I have tried to be up front about the cost of getting into the hobby so it looks like a 450 or 500 is where its at. I did not even think about the auto part. He said he would love to get into a 50 size nitro some day so that may be a plus. I also plan on keeping him on a shot leash with what he is able to do to try to keep the crashing to a minimum.I like to play heli lawn darts.
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01-13-2013 04:59 PM  7 years ago
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I'd have to agree with fenderbean, and say 500-550, and since the bigger the better, 550, a 500 is ok in the wind, but a 550 is much better, and it's a short jump to a 600. Stay away from the 450 IMHO the size difference in flight and bench time make the 500-550 class much better.
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01-13-2013 06:10 PM  7 years ago
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Just wanted to chime in on the transmitter selection. The Dx7s from my memory did not have the port for the training cable/simulator. Since you guys are still learning I would make sure to get a tx that you could use with a simulator and also have the option to buddy box.
500 sounds like a decent size to start out with but you still need to know what you are doing.
I would personally go Flybarless because the head required have less parts. Systems like the vbar have many online setup videos. I also like the beasts x or ar7200bx Flybarless systems or their ease of use. The difference between the two is the Ar7200bx has a built in receiver for use with jr/spectrum transmitters.
Take your time and post any and all questions you may have. Good luck.
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01-13-2013 06:41 PM  7 years ago
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Yes, sounds like you are on the right track. As much reading, sim time, and practice he will be on his way to not losing interest much like anything. A 500 is where I started because I had many months of sim time first, so when my 500 esp was done, there were no surprises in real time. A 550 flybarred would have been great also to start with as my instructor would just slow the contols by pitch,expo, and flybar weights. Maybe I just caught on quick, some others have a completely different learning curve. See how he does on the sim and you can judge from there. It's only advice and my own opinion, so take from this what you want, hope that helps.AMA# 1078375
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01-13-2013 06:50 PM  7 years ago
Vermillionx

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I would personally go Flybarless because the head required have less parts.
Thank you for the input but I am not going to recommend a flybarless system. I have used the Beastx as well as own an Ar7200BX. I like the systems but I do not think they are for beginners. I feel that beginners need to learn the subtle corrections that I flybar will require you to make. Once he is into the FFF I do not have an issue with him going flybarless as this is the plan. We are also going to be doing Radd's school of flight. So we will not be able to use a FBL system due to the sliding on the ground. I have found out first hand keeping a heli on the ground and trying to slide it around is not good with a FBL system.
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01-13-2013 09:01 PM  7 years ago
dkshema

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The Dx7s from my memory did not have the port for the training cable/simulator.
The NEW DX7s HAS a trainer port, as does the old DX7.

It is the OLD DX7SE which did not have a buddy-box port.
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01-13-2013 09:03 PM  7 years ago
69maverick

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I recommend to all beginners to get a good radio and your there. As for the Heli A 500 is great but a MCPX or I would recommend a NANO to start, then move to the big boy. Or the first 10 seconds could cost a lot of money! Your right a Fly bar machine is harder and might help you later but up front a FBL is much easier to learn and once you do you won't want the Flybar and it costs more to repair. Just my thought! The Nano is very durable and will take loads of crashes. Just today I was practicing new maneuvers and slammed it down 20 or maybe more times and nothing broke!Jim B.
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01-13-2013 09:11 PM  7 years ago
dkshema

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IF he's got the money, have him pick up a good Flight Simulator, too. As he's got you helping him, skip the Blade nano/MCPx, and all the other distractions and just tutor him well. He doesn't need to dilute what assets he has buying other small helis to "save" money.-----
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01-13-2013 09:34 PM  7 years ago
69maverick

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I have to ask? Who buy a sim if it is going to distract him? Why not just go for a 700 and be done with it? The Nano will save hundreds of dollars maybe even on the first crash and give the guy a chance at flying more than once for 10 seconds.Jim B.
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01-13-2013 09:40 PM  7 years ago
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If funds aren't the deciding issue, I'd recommend a DX8. The switches you will use have triple positions instead of the two position, which will give more flexibility.Logo 700, Specter 700, Goblin 700, Trex 700DFC, Gaui X7, Logo 690SX, Logo 600SX; Trex 470 Trex 500
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01-14-2013 04:04 AM  7 years ago
Vermillionx

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Thanks guys for the replies. But, the Nano and the MCPx are out of the question. Where we are stationed at is very windy. I have a 130x and it will not handle the wind. I could barely hover the bugger. We have steady wind at 15mph gusting to 20. I was also having a hard time with my 450.

As for the sim we have that covered. He will be using my copy of Phoenix. He really does not like the DX8 so that is out as well. I think he was looking at the DX7s because it is very close to my DX7.
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01-14-2013 04:08 AM  7 years ago
Stephen Born

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Have him fly a SIM for 1 month. If he hasn't given up, then he is a great candidate for this hobby.
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01-14-2013 04:14 AM  7 years ago
Vermillionx

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I have already told him that we are not going to do anything in real life until he can put the model into a stable tail in hover on the sim. I am trying to teach him in a way that will give maximum success rate. But, then again I have told him that he WILL crash and that will only be a matter of time.I like to play heli lawn darts.
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01-14-2013 04:19 AM  7 years ago
Stephen Born

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Start from there. Sounds like you guys are on the right track.
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01-14-2013 04:26 AM  7 years ago
69maverick

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That wind is a problem for sure. Don't you guys have anyplace inside you can practice? As for the DX7s and the DX8 it is the same except for a few bells and whistles! They are worth it if the money is not the issue. The back lite screen is worth having it alone. You should sell him yours and get the DX8Jim B.
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01-14-2013 05:57 AM  7 years ago
Vermillionx

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I am waiting for the 14SG to come out. I have had enough with Spektrum. I do plan on keeping my DX7 for sim and plank use though. And no there is really no where that we can safely fly inside.I like to play heli lawn darts.
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