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01-12-2013 08:15 PM  7 years ago
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Chachin

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Brand new Whiplash! (w/Video)
Well I wasn't planning on getting another 700 size heli so soon, but Helidirect had (they actually still have 1 left) a nice discount on the flybarred Whiplash kits. Being that I love MA helis, I couldn't help myself and ordered one .

I've seen plenty of FBL Whiplash helis at funflies and in the forums, but is there anyone out there flying the flybarred version? If so, how do you like it?

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01-12-2013 08:24 PM  7 years ago
dpelletier

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whats a flybar?

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01-12-2013 09:33 PM  7 years ago
Chachin

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From Webster's Heli Dictionary:
Flybar: A mechanical marvel that requires 0 paddle simulation. Reference figure below.

What can I say? I'm still a flybar addict .

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01-12-2013 10:20 PM  7 years ago
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depelletier....Its where the flys hang out and drink!Bill Whittaker
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01-13-2013 12:04 AM  7 years ago
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01-13-2013 03:41 AM  7 years ago
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I thought that was a "bar fly"Dany
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01-13-2013 05:22 AM  7 years ago
TomC

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Way to go Chachin! Best, and only video of a fb'd whiplash I've seen is this one;

Watch at YouTube

It's a stinky, smokey nitro though, lol!

I was also going to buy one of these whiplash-E Fb'd kits but I really could not see any big advantage over my +6 yo Single-Staged Ion-x with Stratus modded FB (my double-staged Ion-x is now retired btw). Plus, i have a zillion spares (incl elusive single gear ones) so I should be fine for quite a while. I've run this heli on everything between 10-15s and fb'd and fbl. Right now I'm back to a basic 10s fb'd version using 2x5s5000 25C packs and it fly's great.

The whiplash-E FB'd looks like a great upgrade from the double-staged Ion-x or Ion-x2 though imho.

Good luck with your build mate and I look forward to hearing how well it fly's.

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01-14-2013 02:51 AM  7 years ago
Chachin

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Good to hear from you again Tom and thanks for the video link! Looks like a sweet flying MA bird . Still flying your Ions? Cool, I still have my X2 as well and even a couple of Razors. But I have to admit that I don't fly the Ion as much as I used to. I was having some tail movement issues with it and then got busy doing other stuff. But now I think it's all due to running short 95mm tail blades so I will be upgrading to 105's in it soon. Man, I can't wait to see the difference in flight characteristics between the X2 and the new Whiplash.

Well, so far it seems I am the only one with a FB'd E-Whiplash.. hehe. Or at least the only one posting about one. If anyone out there is flying one or have any build tips, feel free to comment.

Below are some pics showing the kit contents with the Furion450 in one of them for scale. Not sure if it's just me, but, in person, those CF frames seem larger than what I'm used to seeing for a 700 size bird. So now I just need to make the time to put it together. I have some travelling coming up, but I may get a head start on it anyways when I'm here. I'll likely do a build log in one of the forums, but I'll update this one with the final product.

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01-14-2013 11:43 AM  7 years ago
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I do it FLYBARRED!!!

There is nothing wrong with a FB machine. Call me crazy, But I have my first FBL machine(Turbulance D3) completly ready to Fly sitting in the basement, And just have no desire to do it. Im still very much in love with my flybarred machines...
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01-22-2013 04:25 AM  7 years ago
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A new bird!! Nice.... You need to bring it to our field and show us how she flies!
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01-26-2013 01:53 AM  7 years ago
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Chachin
Have you put that bird in the air yet?
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01-27-2013 10:11 PM  7 years ago
Chachin

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Same here Bryan, still loving my FB ships. Glad to hear I'm not the only one out there with a FB Whiplash .

I will surely do so rlmarch! Just need to spend more time at home to build this bird.

Fly X Cell, unfortunately she is not built yet since I just got back yesterday from a week long vacation outside the US. Plus I have another week long trip coming up shortly, but the build has begun!

This morning I used to my time to setup a small 450 Align heli for a fellow co-worker.

That's done so I can focus on the Whippy now! I've only put together the swash, washout unit and blade grips . I did run into a minor issue with the M3x16 Phillips machine screws shanking/bottoming out too early as shown in the 2nd picture below.

I replaced them with M3x14 Button head screws that I happened to have on hand. Has anybody else run into this or am I missing something?

I'm going to try to have the airframe (mostly) built this week prior to the next trip. But I'm afraid this Whippy won't be flying until mid February or so when I return .

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01-28-2013 03:26 PM  7 years ago
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Probably just need to run the correct size tap thru the hole as it may not be run all the way thru to the end
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01-29-2013 02:08 AM  7 years ago
Chachin

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Well, it's not the threaded hole that's the issue, but the length of the non-threaded portion of the stock Phillips screw. If you look closely at the top half of the picture in the previous post you can see that the non-threaded portion of the screw is bottoming out (I refer to this as shanking out) leaving a large gap between the mixer and the blade grip arm with the screw torqued. The fully threaded replacement screw fixed this (it's shorter length had no play in this, just what I had on hand). Just wondering if this was an issue to previous Whiplash builders.

BTW, the rotor head is now assembled.. slowly moving along as time permits . Everything simply slid into place and I see how MA has reduced parts count in the head.

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01-30-2013 01:10 AM  7 years ago
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Looking good!


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01-30-2013 02:26 AM  7 years ago
TomC

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That's one nice looking MA head Chachin! Thanks for sharing all this.

Too bad about the pitch link lever shanked bolt not fitting properly. I'd let MA know about this. Funny, the manual says that this part was supposed to be already factory assembled. Maybe they had problems with it too, lol!

My only concern replacing the shanked bolt with a fully threaded one is that you may get a bit of side-slop because the shanked bolt is a hair bigger dia and also the shanked bolt should be stronger. I probably would have just added a washer/shim or two on both sides of the link lever to take out the gap. Alternatively I guess if you had the right tools you could extend the threads enough to allow it to be fully seated.

Maybe no big deal but it's these little things that make me question the QC of the 'New MA' vs. Tim's MA. Overall I'm sure that they are very good though.

Hope everything else fit's like a glove!

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02-19-2013 02:49 AM  7 years ago
Chachin

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Update
No problem Tom, I enjoy sharing my builds. The manual states that the bell mixer is factory assembled to the bearings and mid-spacer only, and it was, so in that sense it is correct. The fully threaded screw I used feels like it has a tight fit with no slop, so I expect it to work well.

Well I got back from my long trip and got some more work done this past weekend. Got the rotor head linkages finalized and washout, swash and main shaft installed. The tail boom is mostly complete as well. The 3-piece torque tube design was different and should work quite well.

Now I'm putting together the frame (my favorite part of a heli build) and am really starting to admire the design work in this model . It sure feels like a much simpler and improved model over my Ion so far.

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02-19-2013 09:25 AM  7 years ago
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Very nice mate. I'm also pretty sure that threaded bolts should be fine. Threaded bolts were fine on the Stratus/Ion-x heads except they were not angled like the new FB'd Whiplash. It will be interesting to see how this new FB'd head performs compared to the older ones. Really looks cool and clean.

Certainly a lot less frame bits than the double-staged Ion-x and Ion-x2's. Not a lot less bits than the single-staged Ion-x though, except for cyclic servo belcranks and battery supports, lol!

I'll be very interested to see what you think of the one-way bearing being part of the motor pinion assembly instead of the good old bullet-proof MA sprag one-way on the mainshaft. To be honest, this was one of the main things that kinda turned me off the Whiplash. I just cannot understand why a one-way on a smaller (?) shaft that is turning ~10x faster (depending on your gear ratio) is the right place to put a one-way bearing. Seems to me that it is going to require more maintenance and is in a spot not as easy to service. Plus, it limits you to using only MA ~$30 motor pinions, 13t minimum btw. I could very well be wrong about this (and also my dislike of all current DFC heads). Might just be an 'old fart' thing, lol!

Thanks again Chachin and I look forward to the rest of your build.

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03-03-2013 09:38 PM  7 years ago
Chachin

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Thanks Tom. Well I sure took my time with this build... but I'm glad to say that the airframe is complete and was test flown a couple of times yesterday .

Below are some pictures I took along the build showing the motor mounted to its mount and one-way bearing. I was initially worried that my X-era 4030-3Y's normal/short shaft would be an issue in engaging the second bearing support, but I was glad to see that the shaft length is not critical since the second bearing supports it at the end of the pinion and not the motor shaft. So the Whiplash accepts both long and short motor shafts.

I see your point Tom with the sprag bearing turning many more times at the motor end than at the main shaft during spool downs and autos. I am curious to see how long it will last as well. The only immediate downside I've noticed so far is added friction when the main blades are free turning during spool down. Has anybody else noticed this on their Whiplash or is this a sign of it needing tri-flow lube?

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03-03-2013 09:55 PM  7 years ago
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The drive train will wear in after several flights and improve in smoothness.

I have several hundred flights on my E-sprague, longevity hasn't been an issue.

I highly recommend loctiting your pinion to the inner race of the lower bearing block bearing using shaft retainer (Loctite 609, 680, or the Align R48 stuff).
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