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01-12-2013 01:27 AM  7 years ago
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Dennis (RIP)

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Takers, Not Makers
Takers, Not Makers

More Americans work for the government than in manufacturing, farming, fishing, forestry, mining and utilities combined.

If you want to understand better why so many states—from New York to Wisconsin to California—are teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, consider this depressing statistic: Today in America there are nearly twice as many people working for the government (22.5 million) than in all of manufacturing (11.5 million). This is an almost exact reversal of the situation in 1960, when there were 15 million workers in manufacturing and 8.7 million collecting a paycheck from the government.

It gets worse. More Americans work for the government than work in construction, farming, fishing, forestry, manufacturing, mining and utilities combined. We have moved decisively from a nation of makers to a nation of takers. Nearly half of the $2.2 trillion cost of state and local governments is the $1 trillion-a-year tab for pay and benefits of state and local employees. Is it any wonder that so many states and cities cannot pay their bills?

Every state in America today except for two—Indiana and Wisconsin—has more government workers on the payroll than people manufacturing industrial goods. Consider California, which has the highest budget deficit in the history of the states. The not-so Golden State now has an incredible 2.4 million government employees—twice as many as people at work in manufacturing. New Jersey has just under two-and-a-half as many government employees as manufacturers. Florida's ratio is more than 3 to 1. So is New York's.

Even Michigan, at one time the auto capital of the world, and Pennsylvania, once the steel capital, have more government bureaucrats than people making things. The leaders in government hiring are Wyoming and New Mexico, which have hired more than six government workers for every manufacturing worker.

Now it is certainly true that many states have not typically been home to traditional manufacturing operations. Iowa and Nebraska are farm states, for example. But in those states, there are at least five times more government workers than farmers. West Virginia is the mining capital of the world, yet it has at least three times more government workers than miners. New York is the financial capital of the world—at least for now. That sector employs roughly 670,000 New Yorkers. That's less than half of the state's 1.48 million government employees.

Don't expect a reversal of this trend anytime soon. Surveys of college graduates are finding that more and more of our top minds want to work for the government. Why? Because in recent years only government agencies have been hiring, and because the offer of near lifetime security is highly valued in these times of economic turbulence. When 23-year-olds aren't willing to take career risks, we have a real problem on our hands. Sadly, we could end up with a generation of Americans who want to work at the Department of Motor Vehicles.

The employment trends described here are explained in part by hugely beneficial productivity improvements in such traditional industries as farming, manufacturing, financial services and telecommunications. These produce far more output per worker than in the past. The typical farmer, for example, is today at least three times more productive than in 1950.

Where are the productivity gains in government? Consider a core function of state and local governments: schools. Over the period 1970-2005, school spending per pupil, adjusted for inflation, doubled, while standardized achievement test scores were flat. Over roughly that same time period, public-school employment doubled per student, according to a study by researchers at the University of Washington. That is what economists call negative productivity.

But education is an industry where we measure performance backwards: We gauge school performance not by outputs, but by inputs. If quality falls, we say we didn't pay teachers enough or we need smaller class sizes or newer schools. If education had undergone the same productivity revolution that manufacturing has, we would have half as many educators, smaller school budgets, and higher graduation rates and test scores.

The same is true of almost all other government services. Mass transit spends more and more every year and yet a much smaller share of Americans use trains and buses today than in past decades. One way that private companies spur productivity is by firing underperforming employees and rewarding excellence. In government employment, tenure for teachers and near lifetime employment for other civil servants shields workers from this basic system of reward and punishment. It is a system that breeds mediocrity, which is what we've gotten.

Most reasonable steps to restrain public-sector employment costs are smothered by the unions. Study after study has shown that states and cities could shave 20% to 40% off the cost of many services—fire fighting, public transportation, garbage collection, administrative functions, even prison operations—through competitive contracting to private providers. But unions have blocked many of those efforts. Public employees maintain that they are underpaid relative to equally qualified private-sector workers, yet they are deathly afraid of competitive bidding for government services.

President Obama says we have to retool our economy to "win the future."

RIGHT A##HOLE.......The only way to do that is to grow the economy that makes things, not the sector that takes things.

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01-12-2013 05:15 AM  7 years ago
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Wow, that's a great post.

It's a long read, but the info is spot on.

So sad that this is the yoke of burden we carry into the future. Many countries in the world move away from socialism and central planning as we give up the inherent trait of being American to experiment with know failure.

It's like watching the Titanic heading for the ice berg.
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01-12-2013 05:30 AM  7 years ago
RM3

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Our Government reminds me of when we tossed a box of Adult mags out the truck in Iraq in front of a bunch of men in a shopping zone...thy did everything but kill each other to grab what they could to take it home for "educational" reasons....showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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01-12-2013 04:01 PM  7 years ago
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Wow, that's a great post.
Sure is.

Mike
"When Inverted down is up and up is expensive"
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01-13-2013 08:26 AM  7 years ago
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Wow, that's a great post.
Yes it is. But this all didn't happen over night. Thank the 80s Bush Regime and all the other re-scum-plicans. We are getting what we deserve for letting them screw us on just about every front. Hear that big sucking sound now.
Study after study has shown that states and cities could shave 20% to 40% off the cost of many services—fire fighting, public transportation, garbage collection, administrative functions, even prison operations—through competitive contracting to private providers.
Better check into the Author of this. Sound like he has something to sell. Anyone really believe there would be any "competitive contracting" going on. Then the owners of prison would lobby for more BS laws, longer prison sentences for minor offender. Garbage collectors will raise costs for more bs green sh!t to save the earth. Private Firemen??? WTF

The DumbA$$ Republicans had there chance.

Watch at YouTube

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01-13-2013 08:33 AM  7 years ago
Dennis (RIP)

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WTF
The DumbA$$ Republicans had there chance.
And now it's your chance to really screw things up.
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01-13-2013 08:52 AM  7 years ago
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Yup! Obamy did all this.

Watch at YouTube

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01-13-2013 09:15 AM  7 years ago
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But then it would stop the middle men making a 90% mark up on products produced abroad.The principle of capitalism is to make as much profit as possible,is it not.Patriotism does not come into it.Team- unbiased opinion.K.I.S.S principle upheld here
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01-13-2013 01:10 PM  7 years ago
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And yet it's the lefties that are all about government control over our lives. What to eat, drink, smoke, drive, what doctor you can see, who gets a free pass in school, what and where we can worship...

And now, with Obamacare, who lives and who doesn't!
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01-13-2013 03:07 PM  7 years ago
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re-scum-plicans[quote]

Wow...Esco Sr.?

President 'hope and change' has only succeed in furthering his socialist dreams of making America another Europe. The only thing he is good at is taking from other and giving them to the 'poor', and he is even screwing that up.

I really hope he tries to pass an Executive Order banning 'assault weapons'. Think he is lame now, wait and see what happens if he tries.
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01-13-2013 03:23 PM  7 years ago
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Private Firemen??? WTF
Read up son ! Except in major city's or community's all around u are private fire companys. Most of which are still volunteer as well. Compeditive bid for contracts is the best method of getting the best value in this enviroment
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01-14-2013 12:13 AM  7 years ago
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Read up son !
Ok DaD! Did that. Same results.
Compeditive bid for contracts is the best method of getting the best value in this enviroment

Just what the public needs. A Shady owner counting nickle and dimes.
That would be real good for the saftey of the firemen too.

Perhaps you could educate yourself on the history of the nyc fire departments and see how that actually worked out.
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01-14-2013 01:07 AM  7 years ago
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And yet it's the lefties that are all about government control over our lives. What to eat, drink, smoke, drive, what doctor you can see, who gets a free pass in school, what and where we can worship...
And now, with Obamacare, who lives and who doesn't!
Divide and conquer...
= A combination of political, military and economic strategies that aim to gain and maintain power by breaking up larger concentrations of power into chunks that individually have less power than the one implementing the strategy.
(worked great for the progressive republicans to destroy the tea party)...

= A way of keeping yourself in a position of power by making the people under you disagree with each other so that they are unable to join together and remove you from your position.
(This is how the left right paradigm is working from getting their ass booted by the public. Think about it. Every one is fed-up but nothing happens)...

Both partys are using this against the public and it's working great for them. There is no such thing as left vs right in the real world. They both are jerking each other.

Obamy Care was wrote way before he was elected during the Bush and Clinton years for special interests.

We have to look behind the curtain to get to the root cause.
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01-14-2013 02:18 AM  7 years ago
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So which is worse, a "shady owner" watching the pennies or a crooked official stealing the funds from the public?
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01-14-2013 02:20 AM  7 years ago
baby uh1

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We have to look behind the curtain to get to the root cause.
No curtains. Just look at the Dems in the senate!
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01-14-2013 02:40 AM  7 years ago
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So which is worse, a "shady owner" watching the pennies or a crooked official stealing the funds from the public?
Easy. Any official that is in a position to steal from the public has likely been elected by the public. Therefore, said official has the public's trust. One that steals from those that trust them are the lowest forms of life. Hell, any thief is scum, but a public official thief is abysmally low.

Having said that, I submit that the crooked official is worse. What do I win?

-JB
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01-14-2013 09:16 AM  7 years ago
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most people are not makers, maybe traders at best. To add to the economy you have to create something.
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01-14-2013 12:45 PM  7 years ago
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Having said that, I submit that the crooked official is worse. What do I win?
A two percent increase in your social security tax!
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01-14-2013 03:52 PM  7 years ago
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Ok DaD! Did that. Same results.
Sorry but your just reading the wrong stuff then. The only problem with with competitive bid is when courup politicians and couruptable union thugs get involved.
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01-14-2013 04:15 PM  7 years ago
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More Americans work for the government than in manufacturing, farming, fishing, forestry, mining and utilities combined.
Government benefit is endless and they promise job security
I think American want to be in for the long haul until they retire.
Who you think would not be proud to be goburmant lacker boy.
I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,
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