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01-11-2013 04:18 PM  7 years ago
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JitsuGuy

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600 vs 700
Can anyone list any pluses or minuses between these two heli sizes? I'm looking for my next electric and currently own a 450. If I go 600 I'm pretty certain it will be the Mikado 600SX. If I go 700, I'm unsure of what to choose. But I still haven't settled on the size. What are some things I need to consider? Or, are they too similar the differences are only minor?

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01-11-2013 04:35 PM  7 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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There is a huge difference in the air between a 600 and a 700. The presence in the air is vastly different. A 600 is big fast and nimble, kinda like a mustang. A 700 is HUGE fast and nimble, like a Nascar
If you have the $$$$$ go for the Logo 700. Nice, big, solid, agile......Mikado . I would also like to put a vote in for the Goblin, love mine!
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01-11-2013 04:43 PM  7 years ago
JitsuGuy

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Are the cost of batteries between the two different? I'd imagine the other things like servos, ESC and Motor are pretty similar so not much cost difference there?

I guess I'd rather go 700 but that 600 SX looks pretty sweet. So I was considering it.
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01-11-2013 04:48 PM  7 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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After anything bigger than a 550, the price of the batteries and equipment is pretty much close. Sure it may be a little more for a 6s 5000 ($75-300) than a 5s 4000 ($65-250) but the servos, motor, ESC, pretty much the same. Either will serve you well, but the 700 will impress you more Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!
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01-11-2013 04:49 PM  7 years ago
wrongler

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Lipos will be about the same for both helis.Bill Whittaker
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01-11-2013 06:06 PM  7 years ago
Santiago P

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600 vs 700

feel: laughingstill posted a perfect analogy. smaller rotor is more agile.

Cost of the motor, ESC, and batteries is very similar.
Repair cost depending on model: the 600 could be lower.

The one issue I see is:
IF the kit was not a ground up 600 design it ends up being an overweight 600 (flamesuit on) like the goblin 600 and E6 "seem" to be (I read of some that weight as much as 9 and 10lbs).
Their couterparts Goblin 700 and E7 are pure hotrods. The smaller siblings have to wind up the the rotor to insane RPMs in order to reflect same performance and therefore shorter flight.
IMO, the Logos are still king of 600 E class.

My observation and experience is that on 600 size machines, the 50-57 nitro models deliver a better matched combination. I have a X50 that barely weights 7lbs wet and is insanely fun, and have 8 minute back to back to back flights (plus a slimy mess).

IMO the 500-550 models to me are a better choise if you want a smaller electric.

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01-11-2013 06:15 PM  7 years ago
Darren Lee

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IF the kit was not a ground up 600 design it ends up being an overweight 600 (flamesuit on) like the goblin 600 and E6 "seem" to be (I read of some that weight as much as 9 and 10lbs).
I'm not going to argue with that. However, the new Synergy 600 class is the E5 "stretched" and it flys very well at 1950-2150 rpm.
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01-11-2013 06:19 PM  7 years ago
BobOD

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The rotor disk on the 600 is just a little smaller 1450mm versus 1610mm or 10% difference.

The weight of the 600 is 3.4kg vs 5.5kg for the 700 or 62% lighter.

So, the 700 is somewhat less agile and a little easier to see. Personally, I prefer the agility of a 600 but that's more up to your preferences.
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01-11-2013 06:39 PM  7 years ago
JitsuGuy

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Hmmm, good things to consider. Gonna be a hard choice for sure.
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01-11-2013 06:45 PM  7 years ago
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If you have never flown a 700, you wont be as intimidated by the 600... might not look much different on the ground, but you can sure tell it in the air... either way you will be happy I vote 700 and let it rip
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01-11-2013 07:07 PM  7 years ago
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A lot if good advice there and I would add this. Try to find someone who will let you fly both. The feeling is, in my experience, night and day.

You would never buy a car without a test drive to see if you like it and I don't think a heli is much different. I think that's why you can find so many great deals on barely flown airframes.

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01-11-2013 07:24 PM  7 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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The rotor disk on the 600 is just a little smaller 1450mm versus 1610mm or 10% difference.
That is a very small cross section of what is really going on:
(1) The power system for a 700 can be VASTLY meaner than for a 600
(2) The length may only be 10% but you are not accounting for the width of the blades as well. Much more disc there to run a 6-10 HP motor with.
(3) HS for a 700 these days can rival that of a 600.
Take all that into account as well and that adds to the overall "presence" you feel when you fly a 700 versus a 600.....
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01-11-2013 07:34 PM  7 years ago
Darren Lee

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Also, remember that an increase of 10% in blade length equates to over 20% increase in disc area, which is really the important number.Team Synergy / Rail Blades / Morgan Fuel
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01-11-2013 07:47 PM  7 years ago
Chuck Bole

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Hey man, it won't be a hard choice at all, come out to the field
and you can fly a E7.. Both at high head speed or low head speed..

chuck
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01-11-2013 07:51 PM  7 years ago
BobOD

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You must have missed my point. I'll be a little more clear. The size of the rotor disk being considered for how easy it is to see.

As to agility, the 600 wins, everyone knows that. As for power and RPM, there are always more options for the 600...up to the limitation of the particular airframe of course.

And, beeflier, yes, 20% more area but the 62% weight difference still means higher disk load.

Without a doubt, the 2 fly differently. It's just how we describe that. Some call it presence.

Best recomendation here...see if you can have some test flights....it's really up to the pilot preferences.
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01-11-2013 08:48 PM  7 years ago
JitsuGuy

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Hey Chuck, I may have to take you up on that!
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01-11-2013 09:05 PM  7 years ago
Santiago P

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Guys, remember that gain in performance is exponential with size, not lineal.

This is why a 10% increase in size (disk) alone gives you more than a 10% in performance.

Bump for the 700s: size alone makes them more stable, and they have a much higher usable RPM range. With corresponding dampening, you can fly a 700 size heli anywhere between 1200, and 2400rpm if you like and have a hoot. (I'd 3D my Diabolo on 6 cells at 1000rpm, 705mm blades, for over 9 minutes)

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01-11-2013 09:10 PM  7 years ago
Steff Giguere

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If you are not sure of the size you want get a Synergy E6/E7, in this kit you get to choose what size heli you build. You have a the parts you need to build a 600 and also all the parts you need to build a 700. Get a 470kv motor and it will fit both sizes.Team Synergy, Rail blades, Team Scorpion, V-Team
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01-11-2013 10:23 PM  7 years ago
Santiago P

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Now I am confused with the Synergy
I'm not going to argue with that. However, the new Synergy 600 class is the E5 "stretched" and it flys very well at 1950-2150 rpm.
If you are not sure of the size you want get a Synergy E6/E7, in this kit you get to choose what size heli you build. You have a the parts you need to build a 600
Is their 600 the E6 or E5?

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01-11-2013 10:31 PM  7 years ago
Chuck Bole

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Well both..
The E6/7 comes with parts to build it as a 600 or 700.

The E5 is stretchable to 600 using E6 parts. (TT, Boom,Boom supports, and pushrod)

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