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01-11-2013 03:24 PM  7 years ago
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HeliNutAndy

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Pheonix Owner Should I get Real Flight too?
I currently own Pheonix which I am getting bored with. I was think about purchasing Real Flight as well. Is there that much difference where I would have some fun with it or is it basically the same program?
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01-11-2013 03:28 PM  7 years ago
Solmanbandit

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It is the same thing, just different parameters and airfields. If you feel the need to spend a lot of money buying all the additional packs, then go for it.Trex 700E / Trex 500 ESP - Ikon/ HD 500 - Ikon 2/ Goblin 500 Ikon 2
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01-11-2013 04:51 PM  7 years ago
wrongler

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I have had both, I prefer the Phoenix.Bill Whittaker
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01-11-2013 04:56 PM  7 years ago
USNAviationjay

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Phoenix for sure..
just don't take their stock models as real.
do some adjusting till they feel like yours.
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01-11-2013 05:25 PM  7 years ago
J2M

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You'll get as many opinions as owners.

As a long-time but never fully satisfied Phoenix user, I bought RF6.5 recently just to compare. It's early days yet but I would say that Phoenix graphics are the best but RF6.5 physics are significantly more natural and realistic. Definitely worth a try to see how you get on with a change from Phoenix.
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01-11-2013 05:38 PM  7 years ago
CalmAir

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I also have both, and go back and forth. Rf6.5 also flys more like my heli's Imo. I wish I could adjust the TX settings on my on TX like phoenix though.
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01-11-2013 06:02 PM  7 years ago
HeliNutAndy

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SmackTalk has a video discussing the two. The thing that got me interested in RF is the Chase view which allows you to follow the heli. This looks helpful because for instance you could gain a bunch of altitude and keep attempting a trick and there is no ground to smack into until of course you fall out of the sky. Does anyone use that view or 'feature'?
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01-14-2013 10:34 PM  7 years ago
FARRL

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Get Realflight it's much better than Phenix. I have both , Realflight is more realistic.
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01-14-2013 10:53 PM  7 years ago
USNAviationjay

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pretty much half and half..

I have tried both still don't see how people call RF physics better unless you are talking about planks.

heli physics seem so far off it feels like playing Nintendo even on a 4000 dollar dedicated game rig.

Plus not having to deal with the RF controller or any of the workarounds is far better I sim on my DX18 with all the buttons and functions as they should be. builds up good muscle memory.
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01-14-2013 11:22 PM  7 years ago
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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I have both, and I prefer Phoenix.Avant RC
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01-18-2013 03:01 PM  7 years ago
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All you need to do is take you best heli to the field and try and few maneuvers you've not try before, and you'll gain a new fondness for your Sim.If the wings are traveling faster than the fuselage, it's probably a helicopter.
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01-18-2013 04:44 PM  7 years ago
Skaluf

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I would suggest you go to a hobby shop that has a RealFlight Kiosk running and fly it yourself. With RealFlight 6 the helicopter physics were completely rewritten, I would be very surprised if you don't feel it to be more realistic than anything you've flown to date.

The InterLink Elite controller is made for us by Futaba and is based on the Futaba 6EX transmitter. This allows you to not wear out your actual transmitter while flying RealFlight. However, if want to use your transmitter you still can by simply plugging it into the interface port on the back of the InterLink controller.

I do work for the manufacturer, so do not take my word for it, go fly it and see what you think yourself.

Here is a link to a dealer locator in case you are not aware of one in your area.

http://www.gpdealera.com/cgi-bin/WG...&S2=GREATPLANES

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01-18-2013 05:51 PM  7 years ago
KevinB

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I currently own BOTH. Simply because I wanted to see for myself which is more realistic. RF6.5 is. No contest.

Yes, Phoenix has slightly prettier graphics, but I don't want a sim for eye candy. RF is more than sufficient. 3D airports ? Since Phoenix 4, both sims have that now, but again .....don't care. Never use them. I just want a nice sunny day on a grass photofield, and the heli physics to be the most accurate possible. I use the sim to practice...not game.

The comment about trying both at a hobby store.... low end computer hardware can really skew the results. I've never been in a hobby store that put a decent gaming PC in their sim booth. They usually use a bargain PC. If you don't have good hardware (ie: at least a middle of the road graphics card), no sim is going to work to it's potential.

In the past, this was the one place Phoenix could actually edge out RF since it USED TO require less computer power to run properly. ( ie: comparing Phoenix 3 and RF 5 )
However, RF did some optimizing going from version 5 to 6 (as well as improving the heli physics even further). Phoenix, with the introduction of the 3D fields in version 4 actually bloated their product. Now, both Phoenix4 and RF6/6.5 require the same level of PC hardware to run well.

Also, the comments about the buttons on the controller being wrong.....they obviously haven't used RF recently because the switch position on the controller I got with RF6 is the same as all of my JR heli radios. As well, someone pointed out above that if you really want to wear out your real radio, there is a simple cable connection that comes with the RF controller to allow you to do so.

So in the end (and sorry for being long winded), yes Phoenix owner, you should get Real Flight and try it for yourself. Then you can be sure which is best for you and your computer system. For me, it's RF6. I won't sell my Phoenix though. Every time there is a major update, I dust off the Phoenix dongle and try the lastest version. One day they may pull ahead of RF again.....but that's not today.

KevinB
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01-18-2013 06:33 PM  7 years ago
helidevil

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+1 for Phoenix. Ive tried both and Phoenix flys more to my liking.
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01-21-2013 10:10 AM  7 years ago
J2M

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FWIW, I've had RF6.5 for a week now. I don't want to knock Phoenix, but I find the physics much more realistic and I've now sold my copy of Phoenix V4. Here are some of the things I have noticed in RF using the Rave ENV 90N FBL:
- in hovering manoeuvres, the heli "sits" realistically and reacts to small control inputs just like the real thing
- overall simulation speed seems natural rather than "videogameish"
- heli behaves properly in dynamic piro manoeuvres like chaos, piro globes and piro funnels
- heli behaves properly in aerobatic autorotations including loss and recovery of airspeed if collective is mismanaged
- engine speed changes as it should when disk loading is high
- heli feels like it has real weight and inertia on hard stops
- smoke behaviour is realistic
- damage in a crash is realistic!

IMHO, out of the box there's no comparison and RF6.5 is a much better learning tool but each to their own.
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01-27-2013 10:10 PM  7 years ago
keiser BLADE

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i been thinking of trying phoenix as well i have rf 6.5
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02-01-2013 01:15 AM  7 years ago
Rick_H

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Still waiting for the simulated Crash Cost Calculator so we know how much that last crash on the SIM would of cost us. Which one will have it first?Rick
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02-01-2013 04:56 AM  7 years ago
KevinB

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Real Flight already has a crash cost function! It has a running total per model.

My "go-to" E7 model that I have been using since it was released has saved me just under $380,000.00 in crash costs !!!

Not to mention the time saving to rebuild all those times ! Love that red button ! To bad the real ones didn't come with it.

But then again...... if it was that easy, I probably would have moved on to something else by now.

KevinB
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02-01-2013 10:58 PM  7 years ago
HeliNutAndy

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My LHS is closed tonight but I plan on going tomorrow to pick up RF. I know I do not need both Pheonix and RF but I'm hoping it will keep my interest up in the sim.
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02-03-2013 05:07 AM  7 years ago
HeliNutAndy

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After spending a few hours on RF 6.5 I have to agree and say that I like it a bit more than Pheonix. I like the feel of my Spektrum TX over the RF controller but it's nice that I don't have to worry about it too much. It came with the helicopter mega pack but unless I'm looking in the wrong place I like the selection of heli's ootb better in Pheonix. The physics in RF feel much more realistic for me but I'll have to see after the honeymoon is over
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