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01-10-2013 04:22 AM  7 years ago
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turboomni

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Whiplash Gasser,,what you like about it?
I own a beautiful Min Air 1005 and a Spectra Gasser. I would love to own a Whiplash and I hope to soon. From past experience the Miniature Aircraft kits as sent to you from the factory don't need "upgrades" or 'bling" or outright exchange of parts from another company to make it work. All models are state of the art at the time of manufacture in my opinion. My experience with Miniature Aircraft has been amazing even for my almost 20 year old 1005 gasser. I was wondering from you guys with a Spectra or even 1005 that now own a Whiplash with the new type engine ,,what your thoughts are compared to the Spectra with the puh in performance,handling etc,or even compared to the old 1005.
I am very proud Miniature Aircraft are still in the USA too. The pics and vids of the Whip are very impressive in all configurations.
What do you think?
Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them
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01-10-2013 05:59 AM  7 years ago
Nycatt

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I recently built a Whippy-G and with 28 flights on it I can honestly say I Love It. I also owned a Furion 6 and was very happy with the quality of MA. So when the Whippy came out I knew it was going to be a fantastic heli, especially as a gasser.


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01-10-2013 01:23 PM  7 years ago
Helizrule

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Finest gasser I have ever owned!One mile of road will take you one mile. One mile of runway will take you anywhere in the world.
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01-10-2013 09:25 PM  7 years ago
turboomni

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I would like to hear thoughts from you guys that own or have owned other models of Min Air gassers [Spectra ,1005] and now own a Whip gasser.
How do they compare?
Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them
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01-11-2013 02:08 AM  7 years ago
Rudy

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I did not have a Spectra, but I did have other X-cell's. The Whiplash is much easier to build and setup. There are no alignment/gear mesh issues. It just goes together.Rudy Ackerman Houston TX/Bend OR
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01-11-2013 02:29 AM  7 years ago
rbort

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I've got all 3 of them
The 1005 is the original design, came out in 1994 about the same time as the Bergen Intrepid, was non ccpm but I converted mine to CCPM and made it flybarless - they fly better that way. Its got lots of aligment things, between the main gear and clutch, tail drive gear and engine adjustment.

1005 uses the puh motor and with the stock fan it can get warm on the motor in the heat of the summer, never an issue otherwise. I use the Wally fan on mine to keep it cool in the summer and that fan has more mass to make it smoother.

The 1005 flies a little bit more curvy, by curvy I mean not like bang bang crisp 3D. Its a miser on fuel the motor runs slower and fuel economy is the best of all 3. With the wide gear it slides very well and I used it for auto contests.

The Spectra is the 2nd release of the model, came out in 2004, it was designed to be a 3D helicopter. It still has bellcranks but is very crisp on the controls and flybarless like the 1005 feels a little more locked in. Main gear drive system is very smooth and yields good hang times with autos especially with the tempest head same like the 1005. The tempest head makes 710 blades = to 727mm blades due to its wider stance.

There isn't really any alignment with the Spectra-g gear drive system, but you still need to dial indicate a fan and make sure the motor is centered properly on the clutch.

The Whiplash is the 3rd generator gasser came out in 2012. This helicopter has no bellcranks direct servo to swash links less parts than the other two. No alignment of parts required per say.

This machine has some more drag on the drive system and does not hang as well in autos as the 1005 or Spectra. It also sports a smaller flybarless head (about 1/2 inch less than the tempest head) so the disk is smaller and the engine finds it easier to turn the rotor and its quite responsive.

Most people fly the whiplash heli at high head speeds to get the pop and it uses the most amount of fuel between the 3. This heli runs with the RC motor, the other two use PUH engines but the Spectra can be converted to the RC motor with the helibug spark kit.

In my opinion the RC motors run smoother and make a better platform for the helis with their exceptional cooling. I made my Spectra an RC motor heli and ended up moving my Wally fan to my 1005. With the RC motor there is no more fan to dial indicate as well making life simpler.

Hope this helps,

-=>Raja.
MA 1005 Hanson 2703D, 4300 flts
Spectra 27 3DMax, 3422 flts
Whiplash V1-2 Hanson 300, 1890 flts
Whiplash V2 Hanson 300, 800 flts
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01-11-2013 03:54 AM  7 years ago
seflyer

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I agree with most of Rajas points, I have had many 1005's and dozens of 99se's and other Xcell models and currently have a Spectra G which in all honesty I really do not like much, flys very similar to the fury and Stratus models I had which I did not care for much either, I have spent a lot of time trying to get it to my liking and just don't think it is my cup of tea, I just purchased another 1005 that is brand new and will be selling the Spectra, it is a fine helicopter just not for me,I love most all my Xcells and the Whippy looks fantastic and may just be my next gasser.

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01-11-2013 04:19 AM  7 years ago
Hoppy

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I have a whippy and a spectra g.
The main benefit I am finding is the RC motor is much smoother than the puh motor in the g.
Both are modified TRM motors
I could fly the whippy in f3c its that smooth at 1550 rpm.
As far as the airframes go is just more modern than the spectra g and very easy to assemble.
Also when i first got the g you had to pay an arm and a leg for a painted canopy, admittedly they are not the same finish as a custom canopy but from 50ft away you would never know.
In all this the spectra g flys really well and love flying it.
Just my 2c worth.

Rob.
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01-11-2013 04:39 AM  7 years ago
turboomni

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Thanks for the replies! I know what you mean Raja about the 1005 being curvy at least compared to my Spectra. The 1005 is very gentle heli in it's response. I had thought about converting it to CCPM but have decided to and keep it as from the factory with mechanical mix. A nice antique as As long as Min Air makes parts for it I will continue to fly it as from the factory. Amazing though as it was debuted in 1994,,, when I called them they asked for the serial number of my 1005,,,I was on hold ,,,they came back and said 1995!! My next project before getting a Whip is converting my Spectra to FBL with a HeliCommand with the captain rescue of course! I do have the Tempest head also. I saw the Heli Command on sale for 425 awhile ago but now up to 500. So I will wait.
I also see a conversion for the Spectra to a RC format engine...
Sounds like the Whip is great but the Spectra aint so bad either. But also the 1005 parts are still available if you can find one used even though production started 19 years ago!!!! I look forward to getting a Whip.
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01-11-2013 04:58 AM  7 years ago
rc3po

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Love my gassers..
Never had a 1005

Came into the gasser world under the Spectra G. Still one on the finest machines quality wise I have ever seen. The transmision is incredibly smooth. Spin mine and it continues forever. With the Spectra/Toxic motor I have not had to ever tighten the pipe since the day it was installed (zimmerman). It Has a large presence in the air and always grabs attention when I fly it.

My whiplash is wowwing everyone at the field so far that has seen it. Much like the spectra but seems more nimble. THe TRM RC270 just pulls thru my half witted attemps at 3D. It just doesn't seem to care what I throw at it. It just does it. I can't imagine what these are like on tuned pipes.

I never had the desire to get rid of my Spectra but after the whiplash, I wanted to liven it up some so I also went with the helibug Spark. This was the simplist conversion ever. The precision of this conversion kit is amazing. I mean dead on. I was able to put all the screws in the brackets in by hand perfectly. It was that precise. So it too now has a TRM RC270 in it. I have not flown it yet as I just converted the Tempest head to flybarless this week. So its gonna get some breakin flights hopefully soon.

Happay Happay Happay...
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01-11-2013 05:43 AM  7 years ago
rbort

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HB Spark Looks nice Todd
You may want to move the governor sensor to the bottom round circle in the aluminum motor housing, that is where the rotor magnets are, not on top where you have it.

-=>Raja.
MA 1005 Hanson 2703D, 4300 flts
Spectra 27 3DMax, 3422 flts
Whiplash V1-2 Hanson 300, 1890 flts
Whiplash V2 Hanson 300, 800 flts
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01-11-2013 06:04 AM  7 years ago
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RC engines are the ones without the electric ignition?
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01-11-2013 12:49 PM  7 years ago
rc3po

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Thank you!
Thats just a spektrum telemetry rpm sensor Raja. For the head speed display.. Picks up great there on my Whip..
I have a Stator Gator installed for the Gov.
Happay Happay Happay...
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01-11-2013 01:42 PM  7 years ago
turboomni

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That is a beautiful conversion kit! I would think with the big cooling fan it must put out more power in hot weather compared to a PUH style fan.Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them
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01-12-2013 01:27 AM  7 years ago
Carey Shurley

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The Spark conversion for the Spectra-G will make about the most dramatic difference in a model helicopter of any "upgrade" you'll ever do.

The original Spectra has an issue in that the top and bottom parts of the frame can flex and/or move independent of each other. Even that 1/4" graphite plate has some flex in it. With the motor running under certain circumstances it would flex and/or resonate and cause a lot of vibration. The throttle servo takes a lot of this abuse.

I developed a set of frame braces for the model, not unlike the Bobby Watts flex plates on the Stratus but even that didn't stop the problem

So what the Spark does is by using a different motor format is able to connect the top of the motor directly to the upper frame/drive train so the parts can't move separately. Although the motor still connects to both top and bottom frames, the bottom part becomes unimportant from a support perspective.

Add to this that the RC format motor runs MUCH cooler than the Spectra cooling system will allow and its just a huge improvement in the behavior of the model.

It does introduce another issue, because of the way the RC motor exhausts its cooling air, if you use the front directional mounting kit, you'll need to open up the canopy quite a bit to get the hot air out. Otherwise it can build up where all the electronics are.

If you have a Spectra-G, adding the Spark conversion will change the model dramatically for the better.
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01-12-2013 03:45 AM  7 years ago
rc3po

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A very encouraging post Carey..
Whats also interesting is that both models are now weighing real close to the same. My scales arean't real exact but both are coming in right at thirteen dry, no canopies.. I weighed them without canopies because their canopies are different material. They both have generators and they both have telemetry installed.

I changed out the servos yesterday on the Spectra to BLS451's. So I'll take it to work with me tomorrow and get the linkages and FBL unit set up and then she'll be ready for fuel.

My oppologies to turboomni for hijacking his thread. His original post was asking about the Whiplash.. and I got a little carried away.. These models are taking tremendous steps forward. .. exciting!!
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01-12-2013 05:01 PM  7 years ago
rbort

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One more thing on the whippy
I did change out the landing gear from the stock one to the tuff strut one for more flex and give during auto landings and such.

The original gear is quite rigid and if you have a hard landing you can snap the bolts and/or over time they can snap from flight vibrations.

The spectra style gear works really well, I've had that on mine since I built it.

-=>Raja.
MA 1005 Hanson 2703D, 4300 flts
Spectra 27 3DMax, 3422 flts
Whiplash V1-2 Hanson 300, 1890 flts
Whiplash V2 Hanson 300, 800 flts
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01-13-2013 05:55 PM  7 years ago
turboomni

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My oppologies to turboomni for hijacking his thread. His original post was asking about the Whiplash.. and I got a little carried away.
No Worries!! I don't think you hijacked the thread at all. I think its great that the Spectra can also benefit with the new tech that is used on the Whip. Its great to hear thoughts about the whole Min Air gasser lineup.
Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them
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01-15-2013 01:52 AM  7 years ago
turboomni

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I have seen a Spectra fly with the RC engine as well as the Whip gasser. They do seem smoother than the puh.....Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them
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01-15-2013 02:14 AM  7 years ago
rbort

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I do like the helibug conversion for the Spectra
Ali makes a good product there to make use of the RC motor in the Spectra.

-=>Raja.
MA 1005 Hanson 2703D, 4300 flts
Spectra 27 3DMax, 3422 flts
Whiplash V1-2 Hanson 300, 1890 flts
Whiplash V2 Hanson 300, 800 flts
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