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01-12-2013 04:24 PM  7 years ago
Cra-Z-1

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I am willing to bet that, as already said, most guys are not flying at a club I think more are backyard and park flyers,so there is not as much equipment lugging
Not even here in So. UT. can I just fly out of my back yard; in fact not even our Club/AMA sanctioned field has facilities for power; your still stuck lugging around a generator or packing up early. The convenience in electric only comes in to play where your one of these guys that dont get alot of time to fly, and just wants to grab up a few packs and run somewhere close. Other than that, I dont see any convenience in it.
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01-12-2013 04:52 PM  7 years ago
fenderstrat

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Interesting side topic,lets find outCompass helis Support Team
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01-12-2013 05:29 PM  7 years ago
Cra-Z-1

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You sir need to look in to gasses. You can get fuel at any gas station or use Coleman camper fuel if the smell of gas bothers you.
I'm getting 2.5 hours of flight time out of one gal of gas. Thats a 700 size heli
That sir may be in my future for sure!
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01-16-2013 01:12 PM  7 years ago
RogerRabbit62

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Gassers and Nitros are my preferation.

-15 Celsius. Prewarmed motor. Start. Fly. Tank. Fly. Tank. Fly.
With the 700/10cc i get 30min out of a tank, straight methanol, 10% carbuline, 1450 Headspead.
On the 15cc i get allways 12min+ on 1500 Headspead.
20 normally.
On the 1.8m Bird 20min is no problem on low, 12+ on higher Headspead.

The RX is NiMH (because LiPo is not good on low temp) and between 2500 and 5000mAH.
That is ok for at least 1.5hrs before you need 30 Minutes recharge.

With two birds or a second receiver battery you can fly as long as you want.

Advantage:

The birds are , 'ready to fly' at home and i do not need any preparation for flying.
Just grab and go.
If i do only 2 flights, i do not have to care about the accumulators afterwards in any way.
Just reloading the NIMH´s and the TX.

I have electric in the smaller birds (100 size , 250 size and 550 size ) but i only fly the 100 size any more.
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01-16-2013 01:52 PM  7 years ago
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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R.I.P. nitro. It was fun while it lasted.Avant RC
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01-16-2013 01:59 PM  7 years ago
wrongler

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I think there are a few like me that came into the hobby when everyone wanted electric. I did have a Raptor, and flew it maybe 3 times and sold it. Now that I can fly I want to try a nitro again, So I got the NX4 and getting anxious to maiden it.Bill Whittaker
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01-16-2013 02:34 PM  7 years ago
MartyH

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I have a basement full of nitro helis and airplanes and engines for more projects. It's the mechanical aspect of this hobby I enjoy so much. I have a few small electrics but they just don;t do it for me. I love nitro and gas. I have a handle on tuning and enjoy running my engines.
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01-16-2013 03:09 PM  7 years ago
rilopez825

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Nitro Love here.

I like it because I get to pull up to our field and fold out the blades and fly. I get really anxious to fly in the morning(Sunday drivers getting in my way to the field drive me nuts).

I can go on and on why I can't do electric but I know it will be the death of the hobby in me. Just observing others convince me that nitro clean up compared to all the *Stuff* they have to carry is baffling to me.

Lets jump ahead to IRCHA.
I plan on taking my Trex 700n. 4x 2s receiver packs a starter and Tx.
simple. I am sure I can share resources with someone willing to except a few bucks in return. Buy at least two cases of fuel at the field and I'm set.

The guys that are traveling with me to Ircha this year are not even considering taking a heli because they have to ship batteries worry about generator, etc. I know I will have a good time out there.

But really do what makes you enjoy the Hobby. I know I do.
Richard
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01-20-2013 02:25 AM  7 years ago
HeliSmith

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People are so funny with the R.I.P for nitros. Much like your electric car your electric helicopter needs a new battery technology before it will be competitive. I do like both electric and nitro but I don't pretend my electric has the power of my nitro. If I smack 3D my electric I have to back out of it when I feel the battery sag. This isn't fun for me. This isn't the answer to nitro. Just because you can't tune a nitro motor doesn't mean electric is better!

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01-20-2013 03:05 AM  7 years ago
777ER

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Someone mentioned that you have to take batteries along for nitros too...Well that may be true, but I take 4 very small 2S 2200mA batteries with me and each one of those batteries will fly 5 or 6 flights on my 600 and 700N...Lets see; that equates to 20 flights on 4 batteries. NO COMPARISON! And if I DO want to fly more than I have batteries for, I can easily charge one of them off of my Truck battery without draining it, while I'm flying on my other batteries. If I cant fly, I can sure MUCH more easily discharge those batteries in a fraction of the time it takes to rid the 12S batteries of their charge. Not to mention that my electric also has a seperate Rx battery as well.
I have TP 5300mah 2S2P in my whiplash and use about 320ma per flight. So with that being said, I can fly 13 flights before recharging it.

So with the whiplash using about 4 or 5 flights per gallon, that's about 2 gallons at least before I would have to recharge them. Heck it would be fun to fly back to back with just pit stops to refuel.

Until the day crushed silicone gets added to lipo's to extend the life by 3 times and 15 min flight time with electrics, I will stick with nitro.

http://www.rcheliresource.com/boost...rushed-silicon/
-Chris
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01-20-2013 03:08 AM  7 years ago
S76 Mech

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I love this thread. Its good to hear everybodys affinity for the sweet sound of a Nitro engine is still alive and kicking. I have owned quite a few machines in the day. At one point I too went 'All Electric'. It didn't last long. I guess its because when I was bitten by the heli bug it was all Nitro. The smoke cloud, the singing sound a well tuned engine makes when its dialed in. Awesomeness.

I only have 2 helis nowadays. A Gaui X5 and a Synergy N5c. On a good day, I'll fly my X5 all day. The last few flights of the day is when the N5c comes out. Its like a dessert after dinner.
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01-20-2013 06:30 AM  7 years ago
Cra-Z-1

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I have TP 5200mah 2S2P in my whiplash and use about 320ma per flight. So with that being said, I can fly 13 flights before recharging it.
So with the whiplash using about 4 or 5 flights per gallon, that's about 2 gallons at least before I would have to recharge them. Heck it would be fun to fly back to back with just pit stops to refuel.
Thats awesome! I'm interested in what ya got there. How big is that pack, being 4 cells? Did you just parallel two 7.4's or is there a 2P out there? I'd buy half the batteries I've got now to fly my 2 nitro helis if I could get them to fit under the hood. I did just a quick search for a Thunder Power pack in 2S2P but didnt return anything where I looked.

The article on the Crushed silicone is very interesting; havent heard of it until now. Just imagine how those things would burn storing 2/3 more than the capacity in the same size of package that they are selling them in now!
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01-20-2013 08:07 AM  7 years ago
Roger Rocket

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Oh Rats!! Been reading this thread and I have a 500 size electric, but really want to try Nitro, especially after reading some of the posts. So what happens, I pick up a copy of RC Heli Pilot magazine at the bookstore, and what is the first, full page AD when I open it ? A Thunder Tiger Raptor 50s. So look it up on Tower Hobbies web site. RATS, now checking the lowest balances on my credit cards. RATS !!! Got to stop visiting RunRyder ! But one question. They recommend a Nickel metal hydrate Batt. for the receiver and servos,of 4.8 and 1100 MAH. Guess I could get 2 of them, but how many flights can I get out that Batt.?? This is their recommendation, not my idea.
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01-20-2013 08:12 AM  7 years ago
Nycatt

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I would get a 2s lipo and regulate to the voltage you want. I use a 3600mah Ultra Pulse and get easy 5-6 flights on my Whiplash Gasser.


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01-20-2013 09:08 AM  7 years ago
Rudy

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In my Whiplash Gasser I run a 2100mAh LiFe pack and after six 10 minute flights I put less then 1000mAh back into the pack.Rudy Ackerman Houston TX/Bend OR
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01-20-2013 09:38 AM  7 years ago
Roger Rocket

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OK, thanks. I do understand what you guys are saying, but that means I have to also buy a voltage regulator. So, I wonder, is there anything wrong with what TT recommends in their manual or are they recommending something they shouldn't ?? BTW, I should not admit this, but their AD is really sucking me into this. I had their MiniTitan 450 and I thought that was perfect, so that's why the 50s.
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01-20-2013 12:48 PM  7 years ago
rpat

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What is so funny here is that some of you guys have gotten into the hobby as of late. Back when I started in the hobby there were no electrics at all, so you had to go with nitro. When I read wrongler's thread it hit me he must be fairly new to the hobby to be all electric. Electric is for guy's that know how to go at it as soon as you lift off the ground. If you have to hover for a minute or so after you lift off 20% of your flight time is used up.trex 700fbl cal30,minititan,, trx600fbl,trex250,logo 500,Velocity N2
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01-20-2013 02:12 PM  7 years ago
777ER

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Thats awesome! I'm interested in what ya got there. How big is that pack, being 4 cells? Did you just parallel two 7.4's or is there a 2P out there? I'd buy half the batteries I've got now to fly my 2 nitro helis if I could get them to fit under the hood. I did just a quick search for a Thunder Power pack in 2S2P but didnt return anything where I looked.
The article on the Crushed silicone is very interesting; havent heard of it until now. Just imagine how those things would burn storing 2/3 more than the capacity in the same size of package that they are selling them in now!

Fits great on the whiplash 90, no canopy clearance issue. I run all HV setup.
2S2P offers redundancy should one cell go bad in flight.

Got it from here: http://www.ronlund.com/rcheli-prod/...53002SPLRX.html

Can be charged @ 3C

TP has them in G6 series and now 5400mah;
http://thunderpowerrc.com/G6ProLite...PoBatteries.htm
The G6 series can be charged up to 12C
-Chris
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01-20-2013 03:42 PM  7 years ago
McKrackin

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So, I wonder, is there anything wrong with what TT recommends in their manual or are they recommending something they shouldn't ??
The manual is OLD and out of date.

Just use a 2S LiFe pack...No need for regulators or anything.
I literally never use the word literally right.
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01-20-2013 04:25 PM  7 years ago
Roger Rocket

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OK, Life pack with no regulator, Thanks. It ticks me off a little though in that I downloaded the manual from Tower and I thought it was a new model Raptor and the fact that, it is what Tower listed as accessories to get with the Heli. If they can't get it right, I'll order elsewhere. Have to look for another dealer.
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