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01-08-2013 05:09 PM  7 years ago
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str8jakkit

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kavan helos acquired
Have questions, but have no one consult. I have acquired two Kavan helos, one is a bell jet ranger which appears to be from 74/75 that is completely untouched and a shark-40 also untouched, along with other vintage planes that r untouched. Researching the best i could it appears the jet ranger is worth around $1500, is that really true? I want to get into the hobby, but nervous about trying to build and fly something that seems so sought after, kinda thinking maybe these things may be better off in the hands of someone who could appreciate them and skillfully pilot them. I thought about going to a hobby shop that deals in rc but i don't want to be taken for a ride either. Is there somewhere where i can get more solid information about all these aircraft? Any thoughts or suggestions would be welcomed. I'm not against selling them if i think i'm just gonna wreck them.
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01-08-2013 05:28 PM  7 years ago
str8jakkit

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These are some of what i have acquired
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01-08-2013 06:35 PM  7 years ago
BarracudaHockey

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All values are relative, meaning they are worth what someone is willing to pay for them.

The Kavan Jet Ranger is an antique (though quite advanced in its day). I've seen them go on ebay for as much as 1100, I purchased mine for 300 plus shipping untouched.

Either way, neihter is a starter heli.
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01-08-2013 06:52 PM  7 years ago
str8jakkit

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I was thinking i could pick up a trainer, but is it that advanced of a heli that it would be nowhere in the near future?
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01-08-2013 09:25 PM  7 years ago
RAK402

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I flew a Kavan Jet Ranger back in the early 1980's.

It flew pretty well, but was quite challenging to work on (lots of things to remove to get to the mechanics).

Parts are probably going to be hard to get.

Kavan machines, new in the box, are probably much more valuable than assembled and flown examples.
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01-09-2013 01:03 AM  7 years ago
AWittleWabbit

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Don't learn on a antique or a boutique heli. Get something you can easily buy parts for. Starting out, you will crash and you will need parts. Try finding even a tail boom or main mast for one of those.Heli-itis sufferer.
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01-09-2013 02:08 AM  7 years ago
slickporsche

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Could you learn to fly on either of these heli's? Maybe, but it depends on your pocket book. Is it really deep? It also depends on your skills that you have, and your persistance. The Jet Ranger is a good flyer, and would be great with modern electronics. However, with all the work you will put into it to have a finished, and flyable helicopter, you will be a "nervous wreck" trying to fly it, as you will not want to damage that beautifull fuselage. Finding parts is not bad now, because someone has bought all the tooling from Kavan and is manufacturing them in the States. If you were to do this,I hope you know how to work with fiberglass, and paint.

There are more practical heli's now, that are much cheaper, and easier to repair.

Like was mentioned in another post here, the price is whatever the market will handle. With the U.S.economy as it is you will get less. Most of those plane kits you have go for twice what they sold for new, but the heli's seem to be another story. Of course I am talking about selling on Ebay. People tend to like fighting over an item, by bidding against each other.

I don't know how much you payed for all these kits, but I think you might do real good by selling them on ebay. Start low, like $99,and no reserve. Those that start with big prices are not very successful.

As to your comment will a trainer be any good in the future, any heli can be set up to be a trainer, by someone that knows what they are doing. In addition none of us (not many anyway) have only one helicopter. Don't worry about the future of your flying ability, as it will not come, unless you practice practice. Learning to fly a helicopter can be quite a challenge, but much fun also. I bought my first in 73,and have been flying since. I'm totally addicted. Prepare yourself for this wonderful hobby. LOL
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01-09-2013 02:29 AM  7 years ago
dkshema

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You can buy a NEW Kavan Jet Ranger, re-engineered for more modern times, for $1500.

http://www.americanrcheli.com/

The older ones from days gone by most likely won't bring anywhere near that amount.

The Shark kit is also available from the same source for about $700. Again, I doubt the resale price for your older kit will approach anywhere near that same value.

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The Top Flite P-51 isn't worth all that much, new in box, or otherwise. An updated version of the kit, a "gold edition" from Top Flite can be had for about $180 from Tower Hobbies. The original kit is a pain in the rear to build (especially if you want it to be straight), comes out with a high wing-loading, and is not a pilot-friendly plane.

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The Royal Corsair MAY have some resale value, the kits have been out of production for quite awhile, and at one time, the Royal kits were in some demand. The build, however, I believe is not for the faint of heart. I just did a quick web-search, found an expired ad for a Royal Corsair on RC Universe with a price of $51, and there is a current auction out on Ebay for the same kit with a bid of $100.

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I missed the PT-17 on the first pass through, another quick web-search shows these have sold on Ebay and elsewhere for about $200 - $250.00.

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Neither the Corsair, the bipe, nor the Mustang would be even close to a "first" plane to build or fly.

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I wouldn't consider any of the lot as "first time" or "beginner" airframes.

If you truly want to get into RC, there are much more affordable, controllable, repairable options available.

As for the true value of what you have, the only way to find out is to try to sell them on the open market. They will bring what they will bring, nothing more, nothing less. Be happy if you get more than you think they're worth, but don't be disappointed if they sell for much less.
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01-09-2013 03:23 AM  7 years ago
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Cool memories. But I can't think of anything RC which is a collectors item.Avant RC
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01-09-2013 10:22 AM  7 years ago
Mike0251

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The Royal kit is a true builders kit and DK hit it on the head, not for the faint of heart lol. That is a very fine box of wood. Tucked away in my closet I have Midwest 27% Cap 232, and a Sagita 900 sailplane. Both awaiting my retirement to build. The Cap is also a huge box of wood. Nice history you found there, brings back lots of memories for me as I have built many planes over the years. Kit builders are a disappearing breed sadly...to many ARF's now a days, folks have little time and patience anymore.
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01-09-2013 02:28 PM  7 years ago
Grimracer

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I have a Kavan "Ranger" that is almost 40 years old. I love the old Kavan kits and you have a few nice ones for sure.

My Ranger is a TON of work to work on. Lots of parts but lots of fun too. I did a full resto on the machine a few years back with the help from the great people of American RC Helos...

Here are a few pics.

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01-09-2013 02:36 PM  7 years ago
str8jakkit

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I really REALLY appreciate all the feedback, I got a lot of information in one day here, then the last four days trying to search on the net. I didn't pay for these, we're cleaning out my grandfathers (who recently passed)hobby room, there are lots more, but they take a lot of room. He has some old engines that look as if they've never been used and a lot of parts in there, we've yet to find radios and other electronics for any of these, but we have quite a bit to look through. I don't have anyone to compete with in the family for any of his rc stuff just yet, so I hope it stays that way. I've always wanted to get into rc aviation, played around with a few of those cheapy easy fly helos and was addicted to just that, flying a real rc chopper would be surreal. These kits seemed pretty intimidating, that's why I wanted to find out what I was dealing with. I make trips out to his town every couple of weeks, so when I bring back more, I'll have to update my findings. I thank you so much for your replies, any and all info and comments and suggestions are very welcomed and appreciated.
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01-09-2013 05:38 PM  7 years ago
R.J.

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If those are your grandfather's, I'm sure he would have loved to see you build and fly them, just not as your first aircraft builds.

Go learn to build and fly on some current models that you can get parts for as others have said, then eventually build and fly your grandfather's kits. I think he would have liked that.
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01-10-2013 03:27 AM  7 years ago
RotorheadBob

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Good Advice from RJ
RJ provides some really good advice. After you build and fly a modern kit or two, you'll have a much better idea what you want to do with the Kavan kits.

They were once state of the art.

Good luck with what ever you decide!

Rob
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01-10-2013 03:41 AM  7 years ago
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My sentiments exactly. I didn't know the kits were from family. Do wait and see how you feel after learning on a newer machine. You'll know when you are ready.

I was given an old Taurus pattern plane ~20 yrs ago. The lady's husband passed away before he could install the radio and motor. I wasn't ready to complete it then. I've been ready for sometime now. Someday soon I'll get it flying like I promised

Take your time learning and I'm sure somebody will be very pleased somewhere you got them going successfully.
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01-10-2013 04:33 AM  7 years ago
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Definitely build them and enjoy them as a family legacy, but do not attempt until you have practiced with some cheap beater kits first.Avant RC
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01-10-2013 04:42 AM  7 years ago
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I agree with most of what you said about these older kits, but you are apparently not aware of the rediculous prices these older airplanes bring on E-bay. I have been carefully watching the auctions, as I would like to purchase a couple of these kits, and they go at least double of new price and more.

THe "Great Planes" kits are crap, and designed to be "dummy proof", and not a builders kit. They are not even good enough to be called "stand off scale". That is probably why a good builder buys the older kits. Also the dave platt kits are excellent and fly very well, unlike the older Topflite kits.

At any rate, please do not be offended, by my rant, as it is all from experience and not opinion. I'm also a builder and flyer, not a collecter of dusty relics. If I do buy one, I guarantee its gonna fly,as that is what they are for.
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01-10-2013 04:47 AM  7 years ago
slickporsche

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You sure did a great job restoring that Ranger. Keep up the good work. Keep em flyin!
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01-10-2013 02:34 PM  7 years ago
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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I agree with most of what you said about these older kits, but you are apparently not aware of the rediculous prices these older airplanes bring on E-bay. I have been carefully watching the auctions, as I would like to purchase a couple of these kits, and they go at least double of new price and more.
Is this really true? If so, then it's a shame I dumped a bunch of kits in the trash a few years back. I figured since everybody wanted ARFs, there was no market for a box full of balsa wood.
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01-10-2013 05:59 PM  7 years ago
dkshema

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I had actually looked at prices brought by those kits on the net, the prices I noted are what I found.

I didn't find any sales that were more than about $250.

Sold:

http://www.ebay.com/csc/i.html?_sac...LH_Sold=1&rt=nc

Completed:

http://www.ebay.com/csc/i.html?_sac...omplete=1&rt=nc

OK -- one went for $275. Most others nowhere near that.

The "Giant" scale version (96 inch span) of the Royal Corsair - I saw one for $575, a second for $635. Smaller version, not much over $150.
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