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01-08-2013 01:00 AM  7 years ago
Stephen Born

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its better to go with a properly designed 800 then cheap out and buy a stretched 700 especially with a potentially lethal machine like this.
I do not feel as though I "cheaped out" when stretching my 700's to 800's. Besides the basic requirement conversions of the tailboom, mains, and tail blades, I also changed the main gears, pinions, motor mounts, and motors.

It's all about set-up.
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01-08-2013 01:15 AM  7 years ago
khoysagk

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Hidaven, why don't you just stop flooding the forums with your bitching about the Trekker? You are the only one who keeps complaining and complaining and complaining. Here, on HF and who knows where else. JUST LET IT GO AND MOVE ON.
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01-08-2013 02:59 AM  7 years ago
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All of this complaining over an 1800.00 800 size heli? 5 or 6 years ago it was nearly impossible to build a 90 size nitro for under 2 grand. Anyone remember how much a nicely equipped brand new Stratus 90 cost just a few years ago? Align has done a great job of bringing all of the heli prices down by constantly improving their designs and bringing lower and lower prices to all sizes of helis they offer. This made other manufaturers bring their prices down and I am very thankfull for that. Yes 1800 is a lot for a kit, but this is a complete ready to fly 800 size electric heli equipped with HV brushless servos, motor and ESC?? 1800 sounds like a bargain to me. Every new heli is going to have it's problems, especially one this size. People in this hobby are flying these helis harder and harder every year and putting more stress on them than anyone could have predicted. Align has done a great job in the past of improving their helis and I am sure it won't be any different for the Trekker.
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01-08-2013 03:52 AM  7 years ago
Hidaven

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It's NOT about setup! The OWB is cheap aluminum and not only did the screws strip that hold the main gear on, the inside spacer is spinning! What are you not grasping? The replacement Align sent was just as bad, its a manufacturing blunder. The KDE version is stainless thus no problems.

The dampers are crushing under the massive weight of the 800 blades and flex. And the white gears, that are not suitable even on the 700, are developing slop. All this with 30 flights of SPORT FLYING.

You want to constantly tinker and rebuild, buy the freakin thing but do NOT say there are no issues with this thing. Issues that should have been thought out before claiming it could do anything but hover.

To the guy above, Im pissed that align knew about the faulty white gears before they released the same gears in the 800. We shouldn't have to spend hundreds to modify a released kit sport flying. That's absurd. Not for this amount of coin. Learn as you go is fine, knowing there's a problem with a part in an existing heli then putting that same lame part on the 800 is pathetic. Unless you just want to screw your loyal customers out of more money or deplete your inventory of defective merchandise.
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01-08-2013 04:04 AM  7 years ago
BobOD

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I do hope that Align fixes the manufacturing issues on the one way. Going to all steel is totally un-necessary in my opinion. C'mon Align, it's not that hard...proper threads (it's not the aluminum...it's improper % thread BTW) and a tighter fit on the bore. That's the sensible way to solve that problem. Done, it's over....next. Team POP Secret
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01-08-2013 02:42 PM  7 years ago
Dino Spadaccini

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As most of you know me personal or on RR Hidaven has been helped out by assurance they sent three new auto units but he doesn't use heat to brake the lock tite on the bolts and stripped out the housing for so who fault is that.

I have seen units slip it and its happen to also. Assurance also out of good faith gave a new black main gear because he was stating that the ome gear was warped and wearing to fast, and now he has been bashing the trekker all over the place

here are his words before all this started hidaven

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your words
here is the link http://www.helifreak.com/showthread....75#post4601075

Join Date: Dec 2008
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Having built both, the 700 and 800, regardless of what it was intended for can do 3d. Remember this is a BIG heli and is not going to be as tossable as a smaller high powered smaller bladed heli. This 800 is no slouch and with a few mods can hold its own just fine. There are quite a few videos showing the capabilities as well as first hand account. Now if your looking for all out balls to the walls, you can drop in a 395 kv motor possibly rewinding and run it on 14s. It would then become a 3d beast and would rip up the sky. I see no reason thus far why the frame and mechanics would not hold up. Again there are a few mods you need to do but they are simple drop in items. It's a big whopping heli and a great deal for the price.
So get the additional frame supports, swap out that POS OWB block for the KDE version, swap out the cheap white main gear for the new improved black version and IMO, jump up to the cc160 unless you want another esc. IMO, I'd rather have a a stretched 700 than the porky logo 800 which seems to be less nimble due to the weight

Also i have reveived calls and emails from other mfg about hidaven in regards to his post here and on HF on the matter and know and are keeping a close watch on his post and where he goes next.

In closing you all have him nail for what he is thanks again for your support and remember its a hobby that we all love and lets keep it fun

Best Regards to all
Dino
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01-08-2013 03:01 PM  7 years ago
Hidaven

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TRUE!!
Those were my words Dino! BEFORE I NEEDED TO REPLACE THE FRONT AND REAR TT GEARS!! And I STILL think this is a good potential heli! My gripe pal and you fail to understand this ISNT with the overlooked desing flaws! Its with Aligns BS stance NOT to swap these lousy white gears that the 700 had problems with FREE OF CHARGE! You put the same crappy white gears into the 800 AFTER.....AFTER.....AFTER you knew they were problem ridden in the DFC 700!! Come on Dino! Get off the company soap box, admit you made a mistake and supply these safer/ harder gears to the 800 owners FREE!

So unless your going to act and address these defects STOP portraying yourself and Align as a company that cares about their customers! Im up to 80 Private emails from people who feel the same way and are actively waiting on this resolution.

PS, all three OWB blocks were defective that were sent. Why else would I have had to shell out 50.00 for KDEs Part?

Step up to the plate Babe!
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01-08-2013 03:03 PM  7 years ago
Solmanbandit

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Now if your looking for all out balls to the walls, you can drop in a 395 kv motor possibly rewinding and run it on 14s.
That is another aspect that I personally didn't consider. The xxtreme uses a 14s setup. Though a 12s setup could do 3D on a 800, it would be more likely to bog.
Trex 700E / Trex 500 ESP - Ikon/ HD 500 - Ikon 2/ Goblin 500 Ikon 2
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01-08-2013 04:06 PM  7 years ago
Dino Spadaccini

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Hidaven the white gears front and rear have been used since the 700n was release and have been used in the 700e V2 and now DFC the tail gears never strip unless you drag the tail the fronts will wear thats normal under extreme 3d use on the 700 and the mains wear too under extreme use. In regards to the trekker you just dont get it you have gone about this the completely wrong way. If you truly want my personal help ask me

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01-08-2013 07:35 PM  7 years ago
Hidaven

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Dino...............
Let me be explicit here friend.
My white gears are failing, I paid out of pocket for a KDE OWB hub that was exactly what Align should have produced. I had 3 OWB from Align that ALL failed or were stripped as you use aluminum and not SS. I coughed up the money without an issue.

I got Quick UK skids as the 800's are a joke and meant for the 700. They look stupid and were basically 700 inventory. I paid for those on my own.

The worn dampers that happen every 15 flights......paid for those out of pocket, no problem. Had my canopy airbrushed to hide the cracks in mine (brand new) paid no problem. Replaced the feathering shaft sleeve twice on my dime. (less than 30 flights)

Replaced the tail blades with edge blades as the stock ones were causing tail wag......paid for that.

All I asked you for was to send me the replacement black gears to fix a bad slop problem that I and others are having. You replaced the main. Thank You, but wont replace the other white gears that are being compromised under the heavy loads. I even PM'd you and said if Align would just replace the freakin existing white ones with the harder more reliable and safer ones I WOULD BE HAPPY!!
I NEVER heard back from you....Im asking for your professional help Dino...lol. I first asked Tim a Assurance who refused me. Come on dont you think I tried the polite professional way first????

You and or Align do not want to do that......Thus Dino we are at odds. The head dampers that Align has in this thing wear out way too fast. The Lynx ones seem to work better. If you REALLY want to solve this swap my damn defective gears out that are not up to the task and we are done! We are talking about 40-50.00 worth of parts that are being replaced.

Its not about the money Mr. Dino! I want to see some support from a company that I bought 3 Trex's from the latest spending 1800.00.

Like I said there are more people awaiting this outcome than you think. You produced the black harder gears for a reason, they NEVER should have been included in the 800 kit ESPECIALLY when you knew there were issues with them on the DFC 700.

Take a bold step replace my gears and I'll publically state that Align has satisified a customer who purchased over 4000.00 worth of its product in the last few years.....Balls in your court.
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01-08-2013 11:18 PM  7 years ago
AlignRC

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Dear Dave V,

We gave you new autorotation units. We check all three of the units all free of charge. The screws that you said were striped were all checked. I must say that we did give you 3 auto units and actually you still owe us one since Tim sent you one without receiving your original one back. Further to help you I offer to give you one of our New black gears as a courtesy to you for all your trouble. We have tried to help you out. Although you have taken a position that is unfavorable we have again tried to help you. The white gears you mention have no problem at all. I'm using them in my Trekker 800 and using them for both 3D and now camera use. Never once have these gears failed. I've let guys like Alan Szabo, Darren Reid, rip on my Trekker without fail. So I have a hard time with understanding your gear problem. The backlash in the gear train is there by design. If the gears are to tight you run into other issues.

Bottom line, is that we continually make upgrades for our products. I'm very sorry you feel that you have received something of lesser quality but the fact remains that these gears you mention are without a doubt strong, XFC, 3D Masters strong. With that said please share your setup of your CC HV 120. I'd like to know your settings. Please take a snap shot and share them with us all.

We have again helped you with your gears as well as your auto unit. All of this done FREE of charge.

Have a great day,
Jeff Fassbinder
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01-09-2013 01:17 PM  7 years ago
Dino Spadaccini

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editRIP Roman JR
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01-09-2013 01:20 PM  7 years ago
Dino Spadaccini

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tail blades dont cause a wag i can dig up your post where you were clueless on how to fix this problem post screen shot of the esc and lets see your setup lets start thereRIP Roman JR
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01-09-2013 03:38 PM  7 years ago
BladeStrikes

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Yeah I read that post on the other site along with many other threads from him...He seems like a noob of very poor at setup..
Nice to see that Align in fact DID send him free parts that he claimed he paid for and owes Align parts..Seems hes a thief and trying to milk Align for more free parts.Really sad and props to Align for dealing with this guy..
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01-09-2013 04:04 PM  7 years ago
WJackson

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Most one way problems Ive ever seen with Align way back to the 600NSport(I've been around awhile) was when you tightened the main gear bolt too tight, warping the insert.

It doesnt ever need any torque.
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01-09-2013 04:32 PM  7 years ago
jschenck

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I haven't removed the main gear from my OWB housing yet, mounted at the factory and I've left it that way for now.

I did pull the bottom cap off so I could remove the sprag clutch and add grease, loctite the bolts in place. When I put the cap back on one of the 6 bolts stripped in the housing. I did not cross thread it, I did not use much pressure at all to put these bolts in place. The others felt like they were going to give also. I'm guessing that the drill used to create the initial bore was a size (or two) too big so there wasn't much material left to cut solid threads into.

When I get some time I hope to call Tim up and talk to him about this. I'm about 1/2 way through my build, this has been the only real issue I've run into so far.
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01-09-2013 04:39 PM  7 years ago
Stephen Born

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jschenck,

Standard build? Are you taking pics of progress? I would be interested to seeing your build and what issues you have.

Keep us posted!

NOTE:

It is nice to see Dino and Jeff to help this guy Hidaven. They have went over and beyond what was expected. This is why all my helicopters are Align.
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01-09-2013 04:58 PM  7 years ago
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When I get some time I hope to call Tim up and talk to him about this. I'm about 1/2 way through my build, this has been the only real issue I've run into so far.
Jschenck,

Please pm or email me(tim@alignrcusa.com)your full name and mailing address so I may issue you a return number.

Best Regards,
Tim Terrones

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01-09-2013 06:16 PM  7 years ago
jschenck

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Thanks Tim - I'll send you an email. I appreciate you offering support through the forums.

I'll update this with some photos but here is some unboxing and starting my build pix. There is a 450DFC inside that canopy

https://rc.runryder.com/t721298p1/?p=5951121#RR
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01-09-2013 09:01 PM  7 years ago
Dino Spadaccini

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Just an FYI when removing the bolts from the bottom cap on the auto unit you need to heat them up to brake the lock tite free if not and you just try and remove them the threads will pull out as the lock tite is doing its job reason i am saying i have done the same and when tight them up cross pattern them, but these things happen as we all know and Tim will take care of this

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