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01-05-2013 04:22 AM  5 years agoPost 1
jimm

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I recently got a Century N640, (nitro version) I ordered,the flybar version but got a flybarles version instead. I am trying to decide if I should send it back and get the flybar version or keep it and get into flybarles. I will say I am just a sport flyer (no 3d).

My question is with all the different flybarles controllers on the market today, what would people recommened for an inexpensive controller to start out with. Something easy to setup.

Thank you in advance for your assistance.

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01-05-2013 04:45 AM  5 years agoPost 2
AWittleWabbit

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Don't know about the N640 but I'd keep the flybarless one. Fbl flies more predictable to me. Agility or stability can be changed with a few button pushes instead of paddle weights or moving mixer balls around.

Your "which fbl controller " is like Ford or Chevy, nitro or electric, or God vs Darwin.

That said, my first fbl that I set up and flew was the AR7200bx.

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01-05-2013 05:54 AM  5 years agoPost 3
Scooterpilot

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I owned a N640 FBL. I used the Futaba CGY 750, YS 60 and the machine flew great. For FBL systems I recommend you buy what people are using at your field. This way they can help with the set up.

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01-05-2013 07:31 AM  5 years agoPost 4
Solmanbandit

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The beastx with the receiver is what I went with. Programming it was a bit hard for me to understand the first round, but after that, it is super easy. Best thing that helped me to figure it out was watching programming tutorials on youtube. I have tried cheap fbl units, and they are hit and miss whether you will get a good one. I believe Ikon is on of the cheaper units that can be purchased. You can often pick up used units and save a few dollars. If you are using spektrum radio and decide to use the beastx, definitely go with the AR7200BX. It makes it so much cleaner.

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01-05-2013 10:41 AM  5 years agoPost 5
TomC

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jimm,

I think you bought this heli cheap on sale ($250) and intended to run it with an os50 and 600mm blades. You may also already have servos and a tail gyro?

If you want to dip your toe into fbl waters this is really up to you. For sport flying (and light-med 3d) the flybarred heli version should be fine, and a lot cheaper/easier for you to setup. You can always convert it to fbl later.

Maybe you should talk to Century and see if they will just send you the flybarred parts rather than shipping everything back?

Cheers,
TomC

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01-05-2013 11:37 AM  5 years agoPost 6
Vermillionx

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I would look into the BeastX. If you are running a Futaba radio system the Beast works with the S-Bus. the only problem with the beast is it does not have a gov. If you are looking for one that has a gov built in then I would recommend the SK540. This is one of the best out the for the price at $250. So, it is only 50 more than the Beast.

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01-05-2013 03:02 PM  5 years agoPost 7
jimm

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I have called Century several times the past 3 weeks or so about their mistake and how they could rectify it. They said they would have to have one of their techs make a list of what needs to be exchanged on both ends. I am still waiting to hear back from them but starting to wonder if they will.

So I am exploring what my options are to go flybarles if I am unable to exchange it or decide to stick with it.

I pretty much fly by myself as I live in an area that has no other heli flyers near by without driving over an hour.

I appreciate your input. Thanks

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01-05-2013 08:15 PM  5 years agoPost 8
ticedoff8

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I have called Century several times the past 3 weeks or so about their mistake and how they could rectify it. They said they would have to have one of their techs make a list of what needs to be exchanged on both ends. I am still waiting to hear back from them but starting to wonder if they will.
jimm:
In my opinion, I would return it and get the flybar'ed version.
I'm not sure why they would want to send you a conversion kit - you should be able to send the whole kit back, and get the new flybar'ed kit.

It seems you are a pretty good flybar'ed pilot, transitioning to a FBL brings a lot of setup issues to light. If you are relatively alone in your area, you can be very frustrated and it could cost you some heavy repair bills.
If you feel you are up to the task, I would start with one of your existing FB'ed helis, and do a conversion on it before you tackle the N640.

A properly setup FBL systems does make flying easier. It is a lot like cheating. As a flybar'ed pilot, you will notice the difference right away. I flew FB'ed for 20 years, and when I converted, it changed how I flew - rather than focusing on basic control, I could start to look into more complex manoeuvres and flying styles.
The FBL system makes the heli more stable and tunable. But, they are much more complex - most flyers set them up (or have someone else set them up) and then never touch them again.
The basic setup wizards help - but that is just the start. The tuning and toubleshooting can easily start to eat up all your time. That's why it can be extremely helpful to have a knowledgeable local resource to help. Without that help, you can get so frustrated you just give up.

The N640 is a great heli - I happen to fly with some of the factory pilots and one of them beats the crap out of his 100% stock N640 every time he flies it - and it never wears out.
I was going to buy an N640 as my next heli. Either that, or the Raptor G4.
If you look around the heli-world.com web site, you can see some of the factory pilots listed - and they can help with the setup & tuning.

The FBL controller of choice from the guys flying the N640 is the VBar Silverline. The Pro SW upgrade is not mandatory, but recommended.

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01-05-2013 08:26 PM  5 years agoPost 9
Ronald Thomas

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A good FBL system is not very hard to setup at all. Some like the VBAR have wizards that literally walk you through the setup and will also tune the Heli for you. I think it is easier and quicker to setup a FBL heli. Plus no interatctions in the head to work out etc. Stay FBL, it will fly better and will be more enjoyable overall. I will be glad to help you set it up, it can be done over the phone or linking computers together, or tou can watch the step by sgep videos MrMel has made.....Ron

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01-05-2013 11:07 PM  5 years agoPost 10
Ben-T-Spindle

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SK540 gets my vote. I now have two of them.

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01-05-2013 11:12 PM  5 years agoPost 11
nappyroots2182

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Moline, il

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i had a few FBL systems. i love my beast unit. i set it up and it just flys well. its a very new feeling but im sold on FBL and it has made me a better pilot.

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01-06-2013 06:40 PM  5 years agoPost 12
JasonJ

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I recommend just keeping the kit and going fbl. My friend bought an N640 fbl and used the Futaba system. He didn't know much about the process but watched some vids, set it up and the maiden was a non event. Fbl is played up to be this super complex thing that will cause the world to end and NASA astronauts envy us because of how complex it is when it isn't that big a deal. Follow the instructions, ask questions, do a good preflight that confirms the controller is compensating properly and the maiden will be the most non event you have ever had.

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01-06-2013 11:18 PM  5 years agoPost 13
BobOD

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It depends on what you might be interested in.

If you just want more of what you've had, exchange it. If you're mechanically inclined, I don't find a flybar heli any more difficult or time consuming to setup.

If you feel like exploring something new then keep it. I would definately go with the SK540 for the gov so that's a good suggestion. All of mine have flown beautifully on default settings and I know a lot of people who have found the same. Nitros as well as electrics.

FBL may give you some benefits/control of the predictability...but it will cost a bit more.

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01-10-2013 06:07 PM  5 years agoPost 14
jimm

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Thank You everyone for your input, at this time I am staying with flybars and getting my kit exchanged but I will keep this in mind in the future should I decide to go with multi blade heads on scale machines.

I appreciate your help.

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