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01-05-2013 01:51 AM  5 years agoPost 1
Sled53

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I'm looking to build a second heli. It will probably be a Raptor G4 or Trex 700 electric.

I'm consdering using a gyro with self leveling capablity to avoid smacking it while trying to improve my 3D skills.

Skookum and HeliCommand are two that I am aware of with this capabilty.

What are the likes / dislikes of these or others that I should consider? Are they good 3D capable gyros in addition to having the self leveling capability?

I use a Futaba transmitter, receiver and servos. Id appreciate any comments or recommendations.

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01-10-2013 10:52 PM  5 years agoPost 2
dj80550

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Some good info here, scroll down to the video:
https://rc.runryder.com/t721402p1/

I have 2 beastx, with of course no bailout or self level, maybe a software or version upgrade soon. Can't beat the price for $150-180 in the classifieds section. Sim time is always the best bet to prepare for a mishap or component failure.

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01-11-2013 05:13 PM  5 years agoPost 3
Ronald Thomas

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The HC is the only one that works worth a crap but it is BIG $$$$$$$! Practice on the sim, save the money

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01-11-2013 06:00 PM  5 years agoPost 4
Simmer

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The Ikon is new technology. I have the beast X but it is getting old as these things go.
Ikon has a leveling feature, controlled at the TX. Hit a sw and it will right it self 10 out of 10 times. You only have to add pos collective to avoid the ground. I think this is going to be the one to replace the beastx unless they make changes.

Read up on the Ikon to see the features. It can go a long way to help you improve your 3d skills, and its the current top of the crop. Longevity not proven, but it stands today above the Beast.
I have been told it has a feel more like a flybar than the others, it isnt so numb like its on rails and apparently, thats a good thing.

Im in the market this year to get one I suspect, but just read up yesterday and its an impressive device, same price point as BeastX too. about 200 bucks.

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01-11-2013 08:15 PM  5 years agoPost 5
P.I.Engineer

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from what i've seen on videos and read. I'd def get the helicommand.

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01-11-2013 08:19 PM  5 years agoPost 6
Ronald Thomas

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I have tried the IKON, for me, the self leveling didn't work that well. I turned it off.

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01-11-2013 08:41 PM  5 years agoPost 7
Simmer

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ah nice to know! thanks, still considering it for myself.

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01-11-2013 08:49 PM  5 years agoPost 8
Santiago P

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Helicommand here.
I also use Futaba TX (8fg) receiver and servos.
The Helicommand wizard has options for any servo, and is SBUS friendly. In fact, the more channels, the more options you have.

I use the self leveling (rigid) mode with two gains on a 3 position switch, and the rescue mode on the trainer switch.
The difference between the 2 modes is the rescue adds collective, totally tunable.
In rigid mode you manage the collective and can override cyclic and tail with the sticks, usefull for camera work if you are into that.

I believe in laughingstill prerrogative, practice, but I hate simulators and get motion sick with them. There are also cirscunstances beyond my ability, like losing orientation, or like losing the tail upside down where the rescue mode will
self level,
climb,
and allow you to attemp an auto.

Santiago

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01-12-2013 01:54 AM  5 years agoPost 9
dj80550

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From the above, that is a selling point for sure. HOW does the computer know you are not pausing between a manuever where a self level can actually make a situation worse? There are different settings I bet that adjust self level intensity. Does it work with the same concept as Co Pilot 2? Sounds like HC3-SX is the most updated flybarless system out there.

Watch at YouTube

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01-12-2013 03:34 PM  5 years agoPost 10
Santiago P

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Does it work with the same concept as Co Pilot 2?
Nooo, you engage the self leveling or the rescue via a switch.
Same way one flies with the finger on the throttle hold, you do the same if you intent to bail out. Ideally the large spring loaded trainer switch on the radio is the one to use.
Once it climbed, you let go and resume flying.

In case of using the rigid mode, you fly the heli normally where you want to place it, hit the switch and is parked. Now, there is no GPS so the heli may drift a little as the wind changes, but it has the advantage of learning to stay better if you guide it with the stick for a brief time.

This last part I still learning. Perhahps Danny or Joachim can chime in and explain rigid mode better.

S

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01-12-2013 04:17 PM  5 years agoPost 11
Sled53

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Marshalltown, Iowa

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Thanks for all the input. Does anyone know if Futaba is working on a self leveling product?

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01-12-2013 04:30 PM  5 years agoPost 12
Simmer

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Nice video. Does it have gov mode? The ikon has gov and gps(capability). Ill have to look at the heli command to compare. It must have gov. Cant imagine it not

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01-13-2013 04:34 AM  5 years agoPost 13
TomC

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No gov on the HC3-SX fbl system. Maybe something that will be added later? Right now I'm happy to just use my in-built Kontronik esc's gov on my E-Heli's.

Big diff on what some fbl systems say about capabilities and what they actually deliver. The HC systems, without accelerometers btw, just work very well imho.

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