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01-07-2013 06:38 PM  7 years ago
Richardmid1

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69maverik,

If I couldn't have easily fixed the phasing issue myself I would indeed have called hh up. Anyway it seems (as I suspected) I wouldn't have gotten anywhere anyway.

They couldn't have sent me replacement arms because it seems even the spare ones have been put together incorrectly.
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01-08-2013 12:12 AM  7 years ago
69maverick

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Here is what I have for you.
I said what the hell! I took my arms off and flipped them around and went for a rip and guess what! No Different the heli just rocks. I will not take them off and put them back as it made no difference. I can tell you my 300 flew perfect before and after the change.
Jim B.
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01-08-2013 03:42 AM  7 years ago
RAK402

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Thank you for posting this!

I have two 300X's. One has about 80 flighs on it, with no phasing error (I am definetely going to check it anyway).

The new one is unflown-I will check it too, and report back.

By the way:

"(always called it a washout base but not sure this is the correct terminology on a fbl head as it is incorporated into the head block"

When you said washout arms, I thing that was the best way to convey the parts you were talking about.

They are part of the "swashdriver", "follower", or "carrier", but that does not matter-What you said got the message across perfectly.
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01-08-2013 04:38 AM  7 years ago
69maverick

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They are called Follower arms. If your heli is flying good there is no reason to touch it. There is no difference. I beat the crap out of mine today and it wasn't any different before I turned them over.Jim B.
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01-08-2013 09:28 AM  7 years ago
Richardmid1

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As I said in an earlier reply the beastx will sort this phasing issue out for you. I personally COULD tell. What if this were on a flybarred model, it would fly like a bag of spanners!

I simply shouldn't have flown or tried to make it fly like I like to fly, it simply wasn't designed for that, I could have bought the 450x with what I have spent in upgrades! I hear the 450x flys very well out of the box but now unfortunately I won't be finding out.
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01-08-2013 04:00 PM  7 years ago
Simmer

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Well Richard.... checked my follower arms and mine are on such that the cutout is on the inside. Did not take the time to inspect the alignment yet.
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01-08-2013 04:05 PM  7 years ago
Richardmid1

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You can see it buy looking at the main links, they won't be inline with the main shaft.60% of the time, it works every time!
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01-10-2013 01:25 AM  7 years ago
69maverick

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here is what I can tell you.
Horizon has checked this out and should or will be making some type of statement on it at some point.I have good info that they tried the arms both ways and even just did one side and flew the crap out of it and could not find any difference. I think the head has enough slop in it that it does not effect it in my opinion. So to be very clear HH is not blowing this off and they are looking at it. But as it did in my testing it made no difference in there testing at this point that they could find. I do not work for them in any way,I am just a customer to them.
Jim B.
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01-10-2013 03:29 AM  7 years ago
Simmer

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Thanks Jim..Good to know. Im looking at tightening up my head, grips, swash, etc. If its a small dif on stock head, could be different if you take some of it out.
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01-10-2013 04:55 AM  7 years ago
RAK402

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I checked both of my 300X's today.

Both had the links in the correct position.
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02-12-2013 11:19 AM  7 years ago
Richardmid1

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TTT60% of the time, it works every time!
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02-12-2013 02:21 PM  7 years ago
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The fact is it is wrong and if it is indeed ALL 300X's out there I highly doubt they will admit to it so I can guess this person at a 'higher level' will also say it is fine!

I have read the entire post and would have to say that a statement as above is NOT the case with Horizon Hobby...
IFthey found that there in fact was a problem that needed to be corrected, I would say that they would offer up some replacement parts, so that the hobbyist could make the change.. or offer to have it sent back for them to make the mode...
BUT I would also have to say that it looks as if they have tested the unit as stock, by reversing the followers, and also only reversing one, and in all cases NO CHANGE was noted..
I have had a lot of time dealing with Horizon Hobby, since the early 90's till now, and I cannot recall one problem with them...
One case that did actually have some merit, was an airplane that had a problem in the wing...then 30 days from my purchase a "REVISED" complete wing was sent to me...
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02-12-2013 04:17 PM  7 years ago
mbarhsi

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Not a 300X, but an interesting observation. My 450X has the recesses in the follower arms on the outside, facing away from the main shaft. Just something I noticed when reading this thread.

But, either way, all you have to ensure is that the pitch links are exactly centered and parallel with the main shaft at each non-rotating/lower swashplate ball link. to ensure correct phasing. That's all.
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02-12-2013 06:36 PM  7 years ago
Richardmid1

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Whether the user notices in flight or not is not the point here, the point is is that someone has let a basic yet critical part get assembled incorrectly! And not just one batch it would seem!60% of the time, it works every time!
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02-13-2013 12:20 PM  7 years ago
Mitchilito

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I think this is an unusual RR case where everybody's correct.

1) If phasing is better with the followers reversed then they're probably assembled backwards.
2) It's such a miniscule difference it doesn't really matter.

How much more needs to be said?
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