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01-04-2013 12:23 AM  8 years ago
flustercluck

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"Free Will" is a chimera; an ontological contradiction.
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01-04-2013 01:05 AM  8 years ago
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Dusty ,dusty ,dusty I'm sorry your heart is so hardened to the real truth. So tell us oh great one why do people rape? ,abuse and beat people up?
Could it be be lets see rape- sexual misconduct hmm,same as adultery hmm, same type misbehavior ?or maybe they covent what the other person has ,possesses or use false wittness to justify abuse?
( hmm Me thinks dusty love this one hmmm). Hmm so much buried anger dusty. why? Why does your heart ache so? Ask yourself!
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01-04-2013 01:58 AM  8 years ago
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01-04-2013 02:45 AM  8 years ago
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"Free Will" is a chimera; an ontological contradiction.

-Notwithstanding a priori arguments that seek to negate the predicate.
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01-04-2013 03:21 AM  8 years ago
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Love - Romance - Obedience - Profitable - Satisfying - Post Modern Culture
Pretty Basic : Stuff - Stewardship

Time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear something new.

Will turn away from hearing the truth and will turn aside to myths.

Basic : Just never forget 911 and the absolute moral issue -examine it closely.
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01-05-2013 01:02 PM  8 years ago
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An eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth etc, taught people not to go overboard when taking revenge against people who wronged them; that the punishment should fit the crime. Christianity subsequently taught people to love and forgive their enemies. But that's unrealistic, as no-one really loves their enemies, or wants to forgive them. Most people believe criminals should rather be punished. I doubt anyone here would be capable of loving Al-Qaeda terrorists, for example, or would want to forgive them any punishment for carrying out acts of terrorism. So in this sense, Islam was an improvement on Christianity because it's more realistic, in that it encourages people to fight in self defense, to make treaties with their enemies, and to punish criminals. Sharia law may seem abhorrent to us nowadays, but it was no doubt a big improvement on the laws, or lack thereof, that most people lived under 1600 years ago.
All religions were modern when they first appeared, and would generally have been intended to improve the way that people lived at the time. As another example, the Torah / Old Testament taught people to sacrifice animals instead of their children. In the words of Britain's chief Rabbi, Lord Sachs, ''Judaism is a polemic against child sacrifice,'' which he says was common in several other tribal religions at that time. While for evangelical Christians, Genesis describes the beginning of time, and the beginning of mankind; for Jews, it represents the beginning of the Hebrew civilisation, and ''God'' is their god, who acknowledges the existence of other gods - as per commandment #1. ( Note to Thomas - that would explain how it would be feasible for Cain to have built cities. )
Then Christianity followed a few thousand years later, where of course god sacrifices his own son, which was supposed to be the sacrifice to end all sacrifices.
While religions do have some good points, and have probably done much to advance civilisation, by today's standards they are badly outdated, and probably now do more harm than good. As our societies have improved over the years, so have our morals. While religions would have been invented by among the most moral people back in the day, our morals are nowadays much better than theirs were back then.
Nice twist dusty , I understand where your pain lies now. Your opinions are like that of the mindset of the 99'ers in this country. Makes sence now but sorry dude your incorrect , more study needed! Good luck,proper study will reduce your pain
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01-05-2013 09:10 PM  8 years ago
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Nice evasion there Thomas claiming Dusty suffers "pain". Get real dude.
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01-05-2013 10:58 PM  8 years ago
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More people have been killed in the name of god then for any other reason.
It is ideology that is the killer not religion.
Religious ideology and political ideology.
Stalin and Pol Pot killed a lot more people than religion of the times and all due to political ideology.
Once people fall out of sensible reasoning into extremism there is no telling what they will do since they lack of sense of reasoning and only see their ideology.
Be it religion, politics or nationalism or just kooks like Jim Jones.
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01-05-2013 11:10 PM  8 years ago
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It is ideology that is the killer not religion.
Just the same as guns don't kill people ,people kill people

Scoyle No dodge , dusty's response to my simple statements shows the torment in his soul. He can deny it and will but in the end he will understand the truth.
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01-07-2013 12:22 PM  8 years ago
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Nice evasion there Thomas claiming Dusty suffers "pain". Get real dude.
It's rather amusing to watch. When Thomas accused me of belittling others in the God Did Create Mankind thread, I felt obliged to imform him that he was doing what he was accusing me of, making constant attempts to belittle others because he was unable to respond to what had been posted, while I was discussing the topic. And now we see more of the same, where in the space of just a few posts, I have been accused of having a ''hardened heart,'' heart ache,'' ''buried anger,'' that I suffer ''pain,'' and that I have ''torment in my soul.'' Which further proves the point I was making.

Come on Thomas, try to address what has been posted without attempting to belittle others. Do you think it's your ''sin nature'' that causes you to carry on in this manner?

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01-07-2013 12:35 PM  8 years ago
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Could it be be lets see rape- sexual misconduct hmm,same as adultery hmm, same type misbehavior ?
If the 10 commandments said 'sexual misconduct,'' then yes, that would cover both rape and adultery. But it doesn't say ''sexual misconduct,'' it only says ''adultery.'' There's no point in trying to pretend the Bible means anything other than exactly what it says.
or maybe they covent what the other person has ,possesses or use false wittness to justify abuse?
As I have already pointed out, coveting and bearing false witness only applies to thy neighbour. Try to keep up...
Scoyle No dodge , dusty's response to my simple statements shows the torment in his soul. He can deny it and will but in the end he will understand the truth.
The post you quoted was my response to hootowl's statement. Did you get ferhoodled again?

The ''truth'' we are pointing out is that according to the 10 commandments, rape and beating people up is ok, as is coveting and bearing false witness to people other than ''thy neighbour.''

I have no problem accepting this ''truth.'' I accept the Bible says exactly what it does actually say, no more and no less. Like I said, it's YOU who is bearing false witness to the Bible, again. It's you who does not accept ''the truth'' about what the Bible says.

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01-08-2013 12:03 AM  8 years ago
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Dusty.

I responded to Rudy and u show you don't uderstand what " your neighbor or adultery means"
If the 10 commandments said 'sexual misconduct,'' then yes, that would cover both rape and adultery. But it doesn't say ''sexual misconduct,'' it only says ''adultery.'' There's no point in trying to pretend the Bible means anything other than exactly what it says
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As I have already pointed out, coveting and bearing false witness only applies to thy neighbour. Try to keep up...
Why don't you believe adultery is not sexual misconduct?
Why is rape not covered under covetous behavior. the number one reason for rape is because they covet the body of the other person.

As far as your post reply to hootowls post it simple to see you hatred toward Christianity and love of the muslim faith and the simple fact that your comments of what the christian means are incorrect and untruthful. I need say no more as this has always been your way.
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01-08-2013 01:18 AM  8 years ago
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Dusty is getting old : Loosing the ability to bend light and spin up a bit of tenacity

Next up will be gravity and magnetization or some thing else they can cook up from Hog Wart's.

Sorry Dusty : He Has Risen - The Old Tomb Was M.T.

Your spending the rest of your life looking for light - the Answer's

We arn't home yet - just heading their
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01-08-2013 01:25 AM  8 years ago
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Erb,

You are adding words that just are not in those 10 rules.

Simple fact Rape is forced sex, Adultery is sex between to consenting people, one of them just happens to be married.
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01-08-2013 01:26 AM  8 years ago
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Maybe dusty is a closet rapist.

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01-08-2013 01:30 AM  8 years ago
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But if your Gay of either gender and having consensual sex - is that adultery ?? or do you have to be married ??

Just what is that ??? Just asking ??

Kinda a Third Rail Thing ?? or off the grid ??

Just askin - What file doe's that go in ?? Pending ???

A Quif ???
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01-08-2013 10:24 AM  8 years ago
Thomas L Erb

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Rudy ,you are correct the the exact word is not there but think about what and why people rape and beat up people. The reason is a combination of these types of behaviors that lead to these types of behaviors.
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01-08-2013 12:46 PM  8 years ago
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There's this thing about religions and faiths that can be a bit counterproductive depending on the zeal of the people's beliefs.

The "good" religions should always be good, in my opinion. People should be humble and careful how they present themselves as they are representatives of the faith.

There really aren't supposed to be any arguments. Most of the popular faiths leave no room for argument.

Atheists will argue and that's fine.

I think there is a real problem today in this modern age technology where communication has provided a new means of one "pushing" his or her religion. Christians call it evangelizing. The bible tells Christians to spread the word.... but not argue and or kill over it. The bible is a history book of what happened as well as the word of God. There was a lot of death written about. Those were those days. Those days are history.

I don't know much about the Muslim faith or any other religions. I do know that from my experience, in the last 50+ years, Christians have overall been going out of their way to be good shepherds of the faith.

Muslims on the other hand.... and I don't speak for the good masses that truly believe in love, seem to have taken this age as the one of advancement through terrorism and war.
Where is the forgiveness and companionship in the Muslim faith?

This is why today... I am a wavering man who is unsure of what we... man.. has developed with respect to what we believe.

The bible says the world is what it is and there is another world after we leave here. We must make the best of it under the rules of God.

I think the Muslims have a similar belief of heaven.

Maybe both religions need to re-write the books and take out all of the controversial malarkey so it's clear... love one another being the main theme throughout. They say these books are not to be re-written yet they were written initially by man. We all know what man can do.

If we simply had love and compassion for one another... with a whole lot of patience, things could be so much different.

Unfortunately the world is quite complex with so many different types of peoples. No easy feat for any single belief. There will always be the defiant ones, the lazy ones and the mentally ill.

Jesus tells us ..."The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me."
Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep
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01-08-2013 01:10 PM  8 years ago
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I responded to Rudy and u show you don't uderstand what " your neighbor or adultery means"
Adultery is sex between someone who is married, and someone other than their spouse. I'm not sure why you think I don't understand what ''adultery'' means.

''Thy neighbour'' in the context of the 10 commandments, means another Jew. The god in the Torah / Old Testament, is the Jewish god.

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Remember, the god in the Old Testament acknowledges other gods besides himself, and also that people other than Jews believe in these other gods. As Jesus is your god, then you are one of these people who believes in a different god.

As Genesis was written before Exodus, the former refers to a time when Jews still lived as tribes, therefore their neighbours would all have been other Jews.

But go on, even though you won't be able to explain why, tell us that both me and Britain's chief rabbi are wrong.
Why don't you believe adultery is not sexual misconduct?
Come on Thomas, you are just after quoting me as having said:

''If the 10 commandments said 'sexual misconduct,'' then yes, that would cover both rape and adultery.''

Which part of that do you not understand?
Why is rape not covered under covetous behavior. the number one reason for rape is because they covet the body of the other person.
The same could be said for adultery, yet it is specifically mentioned. If both adultery and rape are covered by covetous behaviour, then why is adultery specifically mentioned, but rape is not?

1000s of years ago, when armies were not paid wages, the winning side would commonly consider it their right to rape the womenfolk of their enemy. Together with plundering their enemy's wealth, that was their ''reward'' for fighting a war. Even though that seems highly immoral to us now. Like I said, when religions were written, they attempted to improve morals in society at that time.

Same as coveting anything belonging to ''thy neighbour,'' would not include coveting anything belonging to an enemy tribe. While some tribes united, such as the Hebrew tribes apparently did, most tribes would have considered other tribes to be their enemies. Coveting what enemy tribes had, was what tribes did.
As far as your post reply to hootowls post it simple to see you hatred toward Christianity and love of the muslim faith and the simple fact that your comments of what the christian means are incorrect and untruthful. I need say no more as this has always been your way.
As usual, you couldn't be more wrong. Out of the 3 main Abrahamic religions, Islam is my least favourite, specifically because of Sharia law. Until recently, I would have said Christianity is my favourite of the three, but the more I find out about Judaism, the more I think it's better than Christianity.

Judaism teaches Jews to try harder than anyone else, at whatever it is they do. As we all know, trying hard at what you do gives you the best chance of success. This is why I believe that although there are still plenty of poor Jews, Jews are generally more successful on average than non-Jews, in whatever it is they decide to do. As evidenced by a disproportionate number of Jews at the top levels of all walks of life, such as in government, business, the media, education, films, comedy, you name it. Much more than Christians and Muslims, Jews tend to be leaders, not followers. A far higher proportion of Jews normally work for themselves, in whichever country they live, in comparison to the rest of the population.

While Christianity and Islam are concerned with an alleged afterlife, Judaism is more about the here and now in the real world, that we know exists. While Christians and Muslims try to persuade others to believe in their religion, Jews do not, but instead work to make the world we live in a better place.

Have you ever though of becoming a Jew? As you already believe in a supernatural deity, you're part of the way there. Just as Jews tend to be more committed at whatever they do, it takes more commitment to become a Jew than to become a Christian or Muslim.

While I don't agree with everything he says, Lord Sachs makes a really good case for Judaism. You'll get the idea in the first few minutes of this video.

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01-08-2013 01:19 PM  8 years ago
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There really aren't supposed to be any arguments. Most of the popular faiths leave no room for argument.
According to Britain's chief rabbi, ''Jews love a good argument.''

He also says Jews are encouraged to challenge established beliefs, while accepting the Torah should not be taken literally.

Whereas Christians and Muslims are encouraged to accept established beliefs, precisely as spelled out in the Bible and Quran respectively, or as directed by their religious leaders.

As well as the Torah, Jews also have the Talmud, which has been updated over time. I understand it's full of conflicting arguments, with various rabbis recording their own various opinions in it. Whereas Christians and Muslims are stuck with their outdated centuries old books.

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