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12-06-2012 03:23 PM  5 years agoPost 1
Propwash3D

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I have been thinking and would like others imput. Bert has flown for many people and is sponsored by allot in the RC/heli industry. with all the resources that he has, why do you guys think he hasnt designed his own heli...im sure many would buy it

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12-06-2012 03:43 PM  5 years agoPost 2
bjacks

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Bert
Takes a lot of money. Bobby

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12-06-2012 03:48 PM  5 years agoPost 3
relax1

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Manufacturing is a whole different ball game. A lot of headaches involve and the rewards are not all that.

I swear never to try that trick again! What the hell is only money!

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12-06-2012 03:53 PM  5 years agoPost 4
dahld

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Bert's a smart guy...he knows better

(-: Dave

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12-06-2012 05:34 PM  5 years agoPost 5
bjacks

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Bert
A-Men Dave. Bobby

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12-06-2012 05:39 PM  5 years agoPost 6
Gladiator

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That is just like asking a race car driver why he does not come up with his own car...

iKon, because I am connected to my heli, are you?

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12-07-2012 10:04 AM  5 years agoPost 7
Propwash3D

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im not sure
well im not sure whats envolved..i just know a few guys matt botos, and synergy/rail...... TDR/ jan henseliet....those new DTS helis(not sure on the guys name) whiplash and bobby watts/CHRIS LUND( i know its not there helis persay, just hands on developemnt)

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12-07-2012 12:48 PM  5 years agoPost 8
steelie600

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Could you imagine what a heli would be capable of if Tareq al saadi made one?? LOL

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12-07-2012 03:04 PM  5 years agoPost 9
EricLarson

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I know first hand that many who design and attempt to market their own machine wish they would not have. The money is in the accessories and there is 99% less headache.

Building the actual machine you are responsible for dealing with customer issues that may be related to your product and also may not be. If they stick a new unproven motor in and have issues, it is not your issue because it did not work.

Bert is a good guy and has been around long enough to steer clear of that land mine!

Eric

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12-07-2012 03:55 PM  5 years agoPost 10
BOOGIE

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It would be tuff to do better than what he is already flying

MSH USA / Lynx Heli Innovations

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12-07-2012 05:01 PM  5 years agoPost 11
ebonicrobot

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Yeah making one would be a headache.. I think he should get a signature heli, one that's slightly different like a better head, lighter frame or something.
BK Edition

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12-07-2012 05:03 PM  5 years agoPost 12
chuck1073

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Wasn't he involved in the Goblin development?

He sure can fly the hell out it either way.

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12-07-2012 05:21 PM  5 years agoPost 13
Nelson34

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Why buy the cow when you get the milk for free? Anyone sponsored by any company in any field are lucky! Im sure most get to travel, per diems and obviously free, maybe unlimited parts or whatever they use in their field of expertise. I'm sure some have multiple sponsorships. Not sure on what Bert gets but I'm sure he's happy to do something he enjoys for a living. That alone is priceless.

Like the previous posts taking on the fabrication of a RC helicopter is huge-anything for that matter. Do you design it for 3D pilots? In his case probably. Nitro or electric? What sizes to offer-but the big question is??? Have everything made overseas? Now he needs to make sure everything is made up to standards-quality control. Then the lawyers needed. Advertising/marketing money needed and LOTS of it. Testing and development.

He won't have as much time to fly as he did. It's no longer a fun job, it's a job full of headaches. And with the RC helicopter market not really being that main stream, why take the chance? Now a signature model-that's the ticket!

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12-07-2012 07:20 PM  5 years agoPost 14
sonnyhad

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Yeah, look at what it did to Matt Botos! He used to have a full head of hair! Not that there's anything wrong with bald!

Bald Pilots usually wear hats!

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12-07-2012 07:37 PM  5 years agoPost 15
Buzzin Brian

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It is indeed a huge endeavor. Lots of details to take into account when trying to get a completed kit to market.

Build it, fly it, crash it. Repeat as often as needed.

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12-07-2012 08:07 PM  5 years agoPost 16
Tyler

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Perhaps...
A new brand is a small fish in a big pond. Small fish have little cash, capital, assets, and nearly no revenue compared to the big fish. Because of this they are forced to start small production runs and hire cheap manufacturing labor and materials to at least break even. Pricing competitively is nearly impossible.

Then, quality control and product quality suffer because of the cost saving decisions. This eats away profits that would then fund future production runs. Customers talk more about poor quality than they do high quality, so failures catch up to reputations, loyalty, and hype very quickly.

Until a brand can afford high quality designing, prototyping, testing, manufacturing, materials, marketing, and support, they will struggle and/or fail.

Brands that emerge from companies that already are successful in other fields, and can therefore capitalize on the fringe benefits of already having the previously mentioned resources at their disposal, stand a greater chnace of success and growth.

Our strongest brands evidence just that... Align, futaba, airtronics, hirobo, wildcat, etc. they are all smaller sections of companies that succeed in other industries

Enjoy things that money can buy IF you don't lose the things money can't buy.

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12-08-2012 12:54 PM  5 years agoPost 17
Jeff polisena

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Others have designed related products ,if it is successful then great but if not and your name is on it then you have a negative brand to your name and then your limiting yourself your products .If you test someone else's product and reviews are not good your name is only attached as a test pilot .Bert is a great pilot willing to teach about products as well as running them thru the ringer Bert has helped design many products thru R&D and that makes him more valuable to the hobby .

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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12-08-2012 02:33 PM  5 years agoPost 18
Dr.Ben

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The market needs a new heli design from a new company like it needs a hole in its head. You can't divide the customer pool but so many ways. Right now, it is one of the best ways I can think of to make well over 1 million dollars disappear.

Ben Minor

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12-08-2012 03:21 PM  5 years agoPost 19
TMoore

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Pilot skill in no way relates to the ability to manufacture product.

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12-08-2012 04:15 PM  5 years agoPost 20
kym

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The market needs a new heli design from a new company like it needs a hole in its head. You can't divide the customer pool but so many ways. Right now, it is one of the best ways I can think of to make well over $1 million dollars disappear.
Way over saturated market and too much competition.

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