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12-06-2012 01:12 AM  5 years agoPost 1
Noobyflyer

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Ain't the First Ammendment GREAT?!

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12-06-2012 01:55 AM  5 years agoPost 2
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Well, now you done it. All the forum atheists are gonna cry themselves to sleep tonight.

But the rest of us are thinking about the upcoming Christmas because of the video.

Great, great video. Thanks.

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12-06-2012 03:46 PM  5 years agoPost 3
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But if an atheist group did this you would be crying foul. I guess with a lot of you, what is good for the goose is not good for the gander. Because any time an atheist group does anything you piss and moan.

And for the record before you all act like idiots and attack me like normal, I am Christian.

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12-06-2012 04:36 PM  5 years agoPost 4
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Team- unbiased opinion.K.I.S.S principle upheld here

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12-06-2012 05:04 PM  5 years agoPost 5
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psycho's pickin' for a fight again.
I can't remember anybody ever saying anything about atheists. It's their right NOT to believe. However, they have no right to infringe on anybody elses beliefs and that's exactly what most of them do. Why does it offend somebody to walk past a nativity scene??? I mean really.
Two words should be struck from our venacular: "offended" and "outraged". If your argument is premised on either of those two words, anything you say should be muted with a big pillow.

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12-06-2012 05:21 PM  5 years agoPost 6
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Great video...and yes, Psycho with all the crap comming from the atheists and such lately, you are right I would complain about it, not because I would be offended, but because I am tired of this equal, fair, PC crap that is being forced upon us all..... screw happy holiday...its merry christmas...so get over it.

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12-06-2012 05:29 PM  5 years agoPost 7
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I don't see the issue. This looks like it took place in a public shopping mall and was a spontaneously (planned) event on the part of private citizens. I say more power to them, this is exactly what the Constitution protects.

What an atheist would have an issue with is if as a for instance, a City was allocating City property and resources of the "flash mob" to do their thing. The Atheists I know say their issue is blurring the line between Church and State. What private citizens do in public is not an issue with them.

but this is yet another example of how you guys use your ignorance of something to try to stir up controversy. Atheists do not want to ban religion. They think religious people are delusional, but as long as they keep it to themselves and outside the government they are fine with religion.

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12-06-2012 05:54 PM  5 years agoPost 8
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But how do you stop them from legally pilfering the system at all level's with law suit's ?? City /County / State/ Public School's / Universities / Churches and private businesses.

Then they run off in the middle of the nite with a baby in a crib ?? or the Camel ??

How do you sue a baby for damage's ???

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12-06-2012 06:01 PM  5 years agoPost 9
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All I can say is sometimes maybe, but other times not so much.

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12-06-2012 06:02 PM  5 years agoPost 10
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Happy Holidays

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12-06-2012 06:10 PM  5 years agoPost 11
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psycho's pickin' for a fight again.
Original post could have been entitled something like " Cool Christmas Flash Mob " or any number of variations of that, but no, Noob had to go make it a poke at atheists...

Noob picked a fight, and he should get one, and a lump of coal in his stocking as well.

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12-06-2012 06:10 PM  5 years agoPost 12
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Phaedrus
YEAH YEAH YEAH

Explain why there is a big push to protect every other religion but Christianity is outlawed in a sense?

Look at Xmas trees being taken down due to religious symbols, but Satanic symbols are acceptable? LMAO!

You Liberals are worse than I thought and actually borderline insanity with your political correct BS.

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12-06-2012 06:12 PM  5 years agoPost 13
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I am joyous during this winter season.

Merry Christmas to all!

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12-06-2012 06:16 PM  5 years agoPost 14
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I think by Law
They are suppose to fly a special flag or something above their home.

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12-06-2012 08:24 PM  5 years agoPost 15
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you guys are so funny - you embrace your first amendment protections of your opinions of government, but you criticize when the same attempts to ensure that government remains impartial to religion. i thought that christianity preached tolerance of diversity, not condemnation.

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12-06-2012 09:16 PM  5 years agoPost 16
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Phaedrus
YEAH YEAH YEAH
Explain why there is a big push to protect every other religion but Christianity is outlawed in a sense?
Look at Xmas trees being taken down due to religious symbols, but Satanic symbols are acceptable? LMAO!
You Liberals are worse than I thought and actually borderline insanity with your political correct BS.
I'd love to see some examples of this. Specifically where "every other religion" is being protected at the expense of Christianity and where Satanic Symbols are acceptable on a Christmas tree (because otherwise the tree remark makes no sense).

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12-06-2012 09:33 PM  5 years agoPost 17
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New York Time's : Tax Payer's Money : $25000.00 dollar's
Some U.S. universities install foot baths for Muslim students
By Tamar Lewin
Published: Tuesday, August 7, 2007

DEARBORN, Michigan — When pools of water began accumulating on the floors in some bathrooms at the University of Michigan-Dearborn, and the sinks began pulling away from the walls, the problem was easy to pinpoint.

On this campus, more than 10 percent of the students are Muslims, and as part of the ritual ablutions required before their five-times-a-day prayers, some were washing their feet in the sinks.

The solution seemed straightforward. After discussions with the Muslim Students' Association, the university announced that it would install $25,000 foot-washing stations in several bathrooms.

But as a legal and political matter, that solution has not been quite so simple. When word of the plan got out this spring, it created instant controversy, with bloggers going on about the Islamification of the university, students divided on the use of their building-maintenance fees, and tricky legal questions about whether the plan was a legitimate accommodation of students' right to practice their religion or unconstitutional government.

"It's an awkward thing," said Alexis Oesterle, a junior. "If I'm sitting with Muslim friends, I wouldn't want to bring it up. In this country, at this time, it's not so easy to discuss the issues of Muslims in American society."

As the nation's Muslim population grows, issues of religious accommodation are becoming more common, and more complicated. Many public school districts are grappling with questions about prayer rooms for Muslim students, halal food in cafeterias and scheduling around important Muslim holidays.

As Muslim students point out, the school calendar already accommodates Christians, with Sundays off and vacations around Christmas and Easter.

"Starting about two years ago, school attorneys have been asking more and more questions about accommodations for Muslim students," said Lisa Soronen, a National School Boards Association lawyer.

Nationwide, more than a dozen universities have foot baths, many installed in new buildings. On some campuses, like George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia, and Eastern Michigan University, in Ypsilanti, Michigan, there has been no outcry.

At Eastern Michigan, even some Muslim students were surprised by the appearance of the foot bath with a single spigot delivering 45 seconds of water in a partitioned corner of the restroom in the new student union.

But after a Muslim student at Minneapolis Community and Technical College slipped and hurt herself last autumn while washing her feet in a sink, word got out there that the college was considering installing a foot bath, and a local columnist accused the college of a double standard - stopping a campus coffee cart from playing Christmas music but taking a different attitude toward Islam.

"After the column, a Christian conservative group issued an action alert to its members, which prompted 3,000 e-mail and 600 voice messages to me and/or legislators," said Phil Davis, president of the college.

Davis said that after a legal briefing, the board concluded that installing foot baths was constitutional and that the college hoped to have a plan in place by the next school year.

In Dearborn, the university called the foot baths a health and safety measure, not a religious decision. And it argued that while the foot baths may benefit Muslim students, they will be available to others who want to wash their feet.

Still, the plans are controversial.

"My first reaction was, 'Where's the money coming from?' " said Emily Hutfloetz, a senior. "I feel like it's favoring one group of people."

On her Web site, Debbie Schlussel, a conservative lawyer and blogger in Southfield, Michigan, posted, "Forget about the constitutionally mandated separation of church and state" when it became a matter of "mosque and state."

And in an editorial, the student newspaper, The Michigan Journal, worried that opponents would turn their hostility "on Muslim students at the university and Islam as a whole."

Hal Downs, president of the Michigan chapter of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said, "The university claims it's available for Western students as well, but, traditionally, Western students don't wash their feet five times day."

The American Civil Liberties Union says the foot bath issue is complex.

"Our policy is to object whenever public funds are spent on any brick-and-mortar component of religion," said Kary Moss, director of the Michigan Civil Liberties Union. "What makes this different, though, is that the foot baths themselves can be used by anyone, don't have any symbolic value and are not stylized in a religious way. They're in a regular restroom, and could be just as useful to a janitor filling up buckets, or someone coming off the basketball court, as to Muslim students."

Then, too, Moss said, the health and safety component is not normally part of religious accommodation cases.

"This came from the maintenance staff, which was worried about the wet floors," she said. "We were also aware that if the university said students could not wash their feet in the sink anymore, that could present a different civil liberties problem, interfering with Muslim students' ability to practice their religion."

Some Muslim students seem bothered by the controversy, saying they might not have considered foot baths worth fighting for.

"I think this was the school's way to try to draw more Muslims, by showing that they were welcoming," said Zahraa Aljebori, a sophomore at Dearborn, who said she never washed her feet in the sink.

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12-06-2012 10:11 PM  5 years agoPost 18
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And where exactly did Christian get harmed by this? The wash areas are also open to all students and are no different than installing a lower sink or special toilets for handicapped people.

So the whole premise that this is an example of Muslims being given preference at the expense of good white Christian folks is utter nonsense.

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12-06-2012 11:41 PM  5 years agoPost 19
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look up "Detroit", d-bag.
They think religious people are delusional, but as long as they keep it to themselves and outside the government they are fine with religion.
No...they're not. I'm between and atheist and a subdued christian. I have no problem walking past a manger. Sorry, these people are jerkoffs.

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12-07-2012 04:20 PM  5 years agoPost 20
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This looks like it took place in a public shopping mall
Just need to correct you here. Shopping malls are not "public". They are private property and if the mall manager wanted to, he could have had those people removed.

But I think you know that I know that you know I know what you mean.

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