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12-03-2012 03:02 PM  5 years agoPost 161
WBFAir

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My 130X after 35 flights or so will not even spool up. I give it some throttle the motor start to spins and then stops. I paid 279 for the heli and another 50 bucks to get it flying correctly. Now I have a $300 paper weight(6 extra batteries) and I am debating whether or not to spend the additional money to get it fixed. I purchased the heli as a learning tool and when I made the purchase I knew very little about helicopters. I owned a Blade SR at the time which was horrible and the 130X. Those two heli's were my only exposure to the sport and I almost said screw this because I assumed that the technology was just not here yet and I was not going to get into a hobby that involved more work than play. Luckily I purchased a 450 clone that has been trouble free and along with becoming a member of this site I realized that it was the Blade heli's that I owned that were junk not the sport. I wish Blade luck but the exposure I got through their heli products almost made me give it up.
Actually this is a very common problem and lots of people talk about how many get into the sport by all the Horizon does but how do we even know what the stats are that leave it because of all we are talking about.

One guy locally I know of this summer got one of the 300's in the spring and was really happy with it for about a month, then servo, motors and all kinds of stuff started going on him. Basically guy would wait a week for some part to come from Horizon, do all the work of putting it in and barely get three flights out of it and something else went.

Don't know what he's doing now as haven't seen him even sign on to the board in months. Was a shame too as guy was a nice guy and a good pilot, but I know he was getting pretty discussed towards the end.

Nother guy at the LHS this summer was taking to me about a B400 he bought last year and it flew great till a few crashes that even though he replaced tons of parts on it from the last one, he still just could not get it flying right no matter what he replaced and he even gave it to some guy he knew who was supposed to be some guru and he couldn't get it right.

I offered to try taking a whack and gave him my number but I never herd from him.

Btw he was in there as he had just total a brand new HH BNF plane that he just bought the day before that he was flying with the DX6i that came with his 400 that was flying great on its first few flights till it just mysteriously lost the signal.

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12-03-2012 03:15 PM  5 years agoPost 162
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Nother guy at the LHS this summer buying parts for a plane was taking to me about a B400 he bought and it flew great till a few crashes that even though he replaced tons of parts on it from the last one, he still just could not get it flying right no matter what he replaced and he even gave it to some guy he knew who was supposed to be some guru and he couldn't get it right.
This just tells me that this guy and this so-called "guru" can't troubleshoot/fix helis properly. I'm not defending Horizon/Blade, but you can ALWAYS get it back to box stock performance, which is generally acceptable, if you throw enough new parts at it, which is exactly what it sounds like he did.
One guy locally I know of this summer got one of the 300's in the spring and was really happy with it for about a month, then servo, motors and all kinds of stuff started going on him.
Was that Turboracer? He has a 300X and lives in CT...

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12-03-2012 03:23 PM  5 years agoPost 163
WBFAir

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Yeah don't know what the guy was doing or who he was and just used the word guru as I would gather he knew more then the owner and got the impression from the owner that there was some element to cost as he wasn't going to replace every part on it as who would.

Basically felt he was kind being pulled that route himself and sick of trying to fix it that way and was hoping this guy could pin point what exactly was the issue so he could replace just that part.

At that point the guy (the guru) still had it and had it for months but never had found out what was wrong (though got the impression from the owner he wasn't pressuring him to much) and that is why I offered as was kinda hoping to help him as he had such a bad experience, to stay in this area of the hobby.

But all in all, I could get from the owner he was just sick of all the spending of money and trouble and was just going to move on.

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12-03-2012 03:33 PM  5 years agoPost 164
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Well, those guys should have been able to fix it. The B400 is a dead nuts simple FB heli with, obviously, no weird FBL issues to even worry about. The airframe itself is very reliable. It was the electronics that made it suck. Mainly the DS75 servos. My 4503D, which is virtually the same airframe with a few upgrades has been crashed a bunch and I never had problems getting it back together and flying smoothly...and I'm still using the stock DS76/T servos. If he told me exactly what it was (or wasn't doing), I'll bet I could troubleshoot it from here on-line.

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12-03-2012 03:34 PM  5 years agoPost 165
Tyler

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Snorizon hobby must still be in bed. It is 9:30 central time 12-3-2012 and the announcement has not been revealed.

Yawwwwn.

Enjoy things that money can buy IF you don't lose the things money can't buy.

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12-03-2012 03:36 PM  5 years agoPost 166
Tyler

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Would have expected news between midnight and 6:00 today. Maybe just before the typically alarm goes off to greet anxious awakening pilots.

Yawn, bad to bed, I mean work.

Enjoy things that money can buy IF you don't lose the things money can't buy.

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12-03-2012 03:38 PM  5 years agoPost 167
Zaneman007

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Sleeping?
I think your looking for the word "SOON".

When I first saw this post the date was November. Then it was December, and now???? That date has once again come and gone.

Lets just call it..........

SOON

Old Guys Rule!

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12-03-2012 03:41 PM  5 years agoPost 168
mbarhsi

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The link on the first page of this thread hasn't been updated by Blade, so it still says to check back on Dec 3. Of course, that could just be for another pushed back date, though... And, where'd Brian James go?

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12-03-2012 04:03 PM  5 years agoPost 169
Richardmid1

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My 130X after 35 flights or so will not even spool up.
Did you take it/send it back to the shop you bought it from?

60% of the time, it works every time!

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12-03-2012 04:06 PM  5 years agoPost 170
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Did you take it/send it back to the shop you bought it from?
If he's truthful and admits he got 35 flights out of it, I think most LHS would consider that "out of warranty" but, hopefully, they'd help him. I doubt he'd get free parts, though. I know Horizon would consider it out of warranty, even though they'll most likely fix it for free. They've commonly said that once it's been flown, the warranty is over. Plus, how long did it take him to get those 35 flights? If it was over a span of months, I'd kiss any warranty goodbye on that alone...

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12-03-2012 04:08 PM  5 years agoPost 171
Richardmid1

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are totally marketed to newer and not very skilled pilots
...hense why we see alot of people struggling with their products!

The rest of us who know what we are doing get along fine with them!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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12-03-2012 04:15 PM  5 years agoPost 172
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In all fairness, the 130X, which so many newbies seemed to have purchased, was indeed marketed by HH/Blade as recommended as "advanced" right on their product page. "Intermediate" for the mCPX...

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12-03-2012 04:23 PM  5 years agoPost 173
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12-03-2012 04:24 PM  5 years agoPost 174
WBFAir

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Well, those guys should have been able to fix it. The B400 is a dead nuts simple FB heli with, obviously, no weird FBL issues to even worry about. The airframe itself is very reliable. It was the electronics that made it suck. Mainly the DS75 servos. My 4503D, which is virtually the same airframe with a few upgrades has been crashed a bunch and I never had problems getting it back together and flying smoothly...and I'm still using the stock DS76/T servos. If he told me exactly what it was (or wasn't doing), I'll bet I could troubleshoot it from here on-line.
Honestly I never got into too many of the details of what was being done to it but really this is in part my point. Very much got from the owner was just starting in the hobby. Didn't sound to me like the guy even goes on boards and that the guy wasn't interested in making working on one his lives work...at least as the inception of this.

Just basically was a guy who wanted it to work like the LHS owner said it would and for whom this was his first helo and then this was the end result, to which was that the guy just was finally getting it was a money pit and hence was not looking to spend any more so would think that held the hands of the guru too.

So for sure probably for you and me it wouldn't have been too hard to fix and would have felt any money was worth it, but really gotta see it from the other side of someone who barely knows much about it and who doesn't know the hobby is going to deal with and see things.

I mean guy probably spent over $450.00 for the helo with getting the Dx6i, then has spent probably maybe $80.00 to $100.00 in parts since he had it, and it won't fly right...and now since he's had it a while is actually starting learn about it and to see how it is made, and can tell from that this is very likely to continue.

So for him since this is all he's seen, its not surprising to think that for most people, they would just give up.

Its kind funny too as this particular LHS and who sold it to him is fairly new and is more one of those chain places and but they are a big HH place. And when they moved in I tried to get them more into stuff like Align but they weren't interested.

Basically the exact response is that 99% of our customers are new customers and that's what we want and that Align stuff is too complicated for them and thus to much work for us too. Really fact is this is another down side to the whole Horizon package as that it has really turned most LHS's into places that just want to sell boxes and bags all day. Basically place is manned most of the time by people that could just as well be working at Walmart who don't know a thing about the product and because of Horizon, don't have too. Just sell lots of boxes and bags all day to people who don't have a clue, and make lots of money.

But as a result, this story I told is a common one and we probably loose a lot of people that if they had the right place and or stuff, would not have all this happen to them and thus get more into things.

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12-03-2012 04:27 PM  5 years agoPost 175
mbarhsi

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http://www.bladehelis.com/Multimedia/Video.aspx

So, does that mean Spring 2013 until the next announcement?

And, did James Haley, the designer, say it was easy to BUILD? Why, yes...yes he did... Are they finally going to offer a heli in kit form? One can only hope...

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12-03-2012 04:30 PM  5 years agoPost 176
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Basically the exact response is that 99% of our customers are new customers and that's what we want and that Align stuff is too complicated for them and thus to much work for us too. Really fact is this is another down side to the whole Horizon package as that it has really turned most LHS's into places that just want to sell boxes and bags all day.
Well, this is fairly new (and expected) for the heli world. This has been happening for a LONG time in planks with ARFs, RTFs, foamies, etc.

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12-03-2012 04:34 PM  5 years agoPost 177
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I presume you would have to build it, imagine the size of the box for a BNF 600!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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12-03-2012 04:42 PM  5 years agoPost 178
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http://www.bladehelis.com/Multimedia/Video.aspx
Although its pretty hard to tell with the over the shoulder blurry shots, but to me doesn't seem like something in the over the 500 size.

Looks to be something which would be more in the 450-500 range by the size of it, but by their talk that is more high end that they want to sell as direct competition for top stuff like Align and Logo and such.

Was interesting to hear the guy use the word, easy to build? Wouldn't put to much into that though as they often have had their Biden moments in these that people take the way they want, but don't get.

At any rate, remains to be seen but given typical history, then never seem able to come up with anything close and do it without making it pretty pricey such as the 450 and 500x and then even with that, there still all kinda of cheap parts on it.

Really don't care what they or anyone else says where the poor quality is not all the same as before, have herd that up and down for every release they ever had, and go hit the boards for everyone and or just even look at the mountain of stuff the hope up market makes and also how many have to use all of that and shows what is really the case.

Could go back to all the pre-smoke and ads and posts bout the mCPx were and all were the same an now look at what you have to do to one.

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12-03-2012 04:50 PM  5 years agoPost 179
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So, does that mean Spring 2013 until the next announcement?
Eh, am sure you will hear tons about it before that but this is typical Horizon fan fare. Horizon could probably bring it to market in a month but the build up and beta flyer videos and the long await and dangling in your face stuff and basically all that Horizon will be doing till then is all what they know most of their customers are even looking for.

Build it up till people are almost ready to stand 50 deep in a line to get one and fork over no matter what it cost for it...then put it out.

Works even better for them too in that what even happens is many of them won't even say bad things about it no matter how bad it is as they know they would just look stupid for wanting it so bad and will just buy lots of replacement and hope up parts for it to keep it flying and say it flies great, go buy one.

Its all basic 101 sales psychology.

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12-03-2012 05:07 PM  5 years agoPost 180
mbarhsi

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I presume you would have to build it, imagine the size of the box for a BNF 600!
Knowing HH/Blade, it would probably come in pre-assembled modules where you just stuff in the tail boom and slap on the head/skids as manufacturers of other helis have done before. It won't exactly be BNF, but close enough...

But, hey, it's all cool. They have a Blade PRO series heli now, so it will be good to go for at least 25 trouble-free flights out of the box...

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