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12-04-2012 08:10 PM  5 years agoPost 221
mbarhsi

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So sayeth you...

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12-04-2012 08:25 PM  5 years agoPost 222
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Of course you are right Egg, but you (or anyone) will never convince mbarhsi. Waste of time arguing with some of these 'over-posters' imho.

Another ruined thread thanks to this guy. Unsubscribed.

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12-04-2012 08:35 PM  5 years agoPost 223
mbarhsi

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Whatever, dude. C-ya.

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12-05-2012 01:19 AM  5 years agoPost 224
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looks like a 550 size to me,but i could be wrong

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12-05-2012 12:21 PM  5 years agoPost 225
WBFAir

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It's funny what some will call bashing when all you're doing is just talking about the things people do.

It's actually interesting as I can remember back in the day when I got my got my first enlightenment as to what Horizon does and yeah this is a long story but if you want to really complain about this then would be good to read.

For me this was after going through all the junk I talked about with the Cx2 and as that since that was just my only experience I really didn't know about them and thought it was just that I had gotten something that wasn't good enough.

So then I saw the B400 had just come out and all the fan fair and all these people we're talking about it and it was all promoted as the most amazing thing ever and actually there had been one first small shipment that a very few people had gotten (and many had broken just in like my lack of part supply story) so I was very interested but still wasn't sure especially as I had dumped so much into the Cx2 if this hobby was something I wanted to get into if it was going to be like this.

So like a whole lot of others I looked around and found a LHS down south that was selling the next shipment really cheap so I placed a order and so did a whole bunch of others on the board with this shop as well as other shops but at full MAP.

Well, all the wait of it built and everyone was going nuts and the night they were all supposed to ship, people were coming online and talking about getting their shipment notices from all the places they paid full MAP...all except for the people who ordered it from this low priced LHS (which btw had sold a lot under the first shipment for this low price an kinda how the word got around and why so many ordered from them).

Then with in two days we all found out why which was that the day they were supposed to ship them to this LHS, that and with no reason or notice, Horizon cut them off cold and wasn't even going to honor the orders.

So a huge thing erupted on the boards and lots of posts were made and mails were even sent directly to Horizon including the one like mine begging them to at least let my pre-order be honored, to which Horizon didn't do for anyone, nor even reply to a one, nor even offered a explanation to anyone.

But it was in all this that I an many others learned of their MAP price fixing scheme and that this is why they did this, as well as many many other things about them of all their other games and tricks to fleece people out of their money such as the ones I and others have been talking about.

But also want to note at this point that they're were a ton of blind ignorant fans of theirs back then as they didn't have the product line out that they have now an many who would just defend them to the death with very few others who got them for what they were.

In the end though everyone got their money back but the LHS went out of business and so in the end I realized I obviously really wanted a good helo so I decided to build a TRex 450SE V2 as that was the best at the time, but also did so with the commitment that I wasn't going to use a singe Horizon made, or even distributed part on it, and that thing flew without a single mechanical failure for 5 years now and even still is one I have today as I just converted it to a 450 Pro V2.

But what was also funny was I watched the boards and for all those people who defended the 400 and Horizon so bad, it was some small comfort as most got what they deserved as that thing was a mess unless you dumped a huge amount into it replacing every part (which was a tough market then as wasn't much out their) but to which showed me it would have been exactly like the Cx2. Btw noticed that thing has been discontinued, so have fun getting the parts for that in a year or so.

So fasts forward to many years later and with not following the mini market much I just happen to come upon the 120SR in a LHS and it had just been released an all in all, it looked like they had fixed many things about their builds and learned a lot about things and so after checking into thought I would get one, and funny note on this is just even for a joke I made this big thing with the guy at the LHS to sell it to me for just literally one penny under MAP so I could say I didn't pay that for it and he wouldn't budge.

At any rate, I enjoyed the helo and really didn't have to spend too much on it (as I said, always felt it was their one mistake) and even did eventually find a LHS just in the next state that was selling things a little under MAP for a good parts supplier for what little it needed.

So after bout a year I think the next big thing of the mCPx came out and thought, huh, the 120SR but in a CP. But given all I know now was going to really wait. But what was even more interesting is the LHS I was getting all my parts from was selling this in a pre-order for well under MAP, and it got out on the boards as the place to buy, and I even wrote posts saying shhh, keep that quite as HH will cut them off and I know as they did it with the B400 (and a few others I had herd since then and really for me also didn't want to loose my 120 parts source too) but everyone who hadn't been around back then said I was nuts and a basher and all kinds of stuff, but guess what....sure enough right before the day it was to come out....poof....cut off at the knee's.

Friggen aye, now I lost my great 120SR parts source.

So I past on the mCPx and glad I did as despite all the fan fair and tons of vids of its indestructibility, saw right off all the post of people getting hit in the face with blades and all the other eventual defects of it that unless again, you dump a bunch of money into it, its worthless for all it is billed to be.

So then fast forward to the 130 and really thought I would have known better by now, but I really was in the market for a small and tough bird like the 120 but one that is CP as I'm finally getting into that. So I thought, well, its at least bigger and more the size of the 120 so perhaps it will be more like it and it too had all the promises and vids and talk and so I got one, but what a piece of junk that has been too unless again, you spend a ton of money for Hope-Up parts that make the helo really cost more then twice what you paid for it and way more then it really should be as I know I will be looking at a good $500.00 and for this little thing???

So all in all is just another in the long line of things like the Cx2, the B400, the mCPx, and now the 130 and while you will say this is all development, one thing sure has stayed the same as its all promoted to be and do all these things, but never is all that until you spend a ton of money on it.

So in the end, buy into all the HH crap if you want and for sure I know there is a big market of those who do, but there always is a lot of people who just seem to love crap and getting hosed, and always will be I suppose. But doesn't mean it isn't crap.

But to actually get to my point here bout the supposed "bashing" is that at least at this point, one thing that has come from all they have put out is that more people now know more about them, and their products, and what they are like, an at least now when you come to the boards, you don't get all the fans slamming you so much and get more who post about how screwed they feel. Guess it's kinda like that saying that if you are actually stupid keep your mouth shut and since Horizon doesn't, more now actually know.

So I know the fans who don't care about anything or anyone but themselves will always see it as bashing but really is just all taking about what they have done and is just like mbarhsi said, the shoe being fitted.

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12-05-2012 12:26 PM  5 years agoPost 226
Max Headspeed

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^^^ great post

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12-05-2012 01:45 PM  5 years agoPost 227
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I just don't feel that bind-and-fly should be offered in the 700 class size. Too dangerous.

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12-05-2012 01:56 PM  5 years agoPost 228
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Yeah as I think I said in this thread or some other a while back, if I ever see someone with a 500 or bigger size Blade helo coming to the field....I'm putting on a helmet.

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12-05-2012 02:00 PM  5 years agoPost 229
VANHELI

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"great post"?....not IMO

Seemed like a bunch of crying...

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12-05-2012 02:01 PM  5 years agoPost 230
VANHELI

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I agree a 700 or 600 BNF would be a bad idea. Not even sure the 500 was a good idea...

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12-05-2012 02:07 PM  5 years agoPost 231
WBFAir

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"great post"?....not IMO

Seemed like a bunch of crying...
No crying, just a layout of the events as they happened.

Guess if you want to see that as all crying, then kinda are admitting all it is right that its all bad stuff that happened.

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12-05-2012 02:11 PM  5 years agoPost 232
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Seemed like a bunch of crying...
Sorry I meant to say great post IMO, didn't mean to offend or contribute to any further "bashing". I just saw the post as a straight, non emotional account of events which are familiar with many of us here.

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12-05-2012 02:17 PM  5 years agoPost 233
VANHELI

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You get what you pay for in this hobby...buy cheap, expect cheap. Still crying IMO...Most of this thread is bashing...everyone seems to know how to do everything better and have all the answers...

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12-05-2012 02:21 PM  5 years agoPost 234
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who said anything about BNF about the Pro Series?

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12-05-2012 02:27 PM  5 years agoPost 235
WBFAir

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Guess you can see it as you want and for sure agree with the you get what you pay for thing.

But if you go through that, that is also another big point of my post is that these Blades are far from cheap costing at all if you really want them to do what they are billed to do.

They just all seem that way at first and part of why I even got into this thread in the first place as a big reason for that is the big shell game played by all these Horizon people to bill it as being so much for so little.

But then, look at all you spend first replacing HH parts with theirs because it is such a cheap thing, and then later with the aftermarket people to make it finally right, and then you spend even more on that.

Kinda is a point too where once you've even spent the money even in just the first for purchase, what else are you going to do if you want to use it.

So in the end, they may be cheap built, but by far cost cheap and in most cases are even more costly then their counter parts but all with still not even coming close to their performance.

Also nother thing I've noticed lately too in relation to that is such a correlation with the Hope-Up market being so big and fast now, is how much faster these new releases are.

Basically back before Hope-Up parts things was so big, Horizon wouldn't come out with the next all new big hat thing for like a year or more.

But now and with such a full line of Hope-Up parts stuff coming out much faster, seems now are on almost a six month time line.

Basically were making tons off all the HH replacement parts before an could ride that for awhile, but now as people are spending all that money somewhere else, have to keep spitting stuff out faster so there is always something people have to buy their parts for to keep it flying.

Tem guys, aaaaalways tinkin.

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12-05-2012 02:27 PM  5 years agoPost 236
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@ bjames, Good point!...although I still feel the same about the idea. I was just responding to others posts about bnf larger helis.

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12-05-2012 03:27 PM  5 years agoPost 237
mbarhsi

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Then with in two days we all found out why which was that the day they were supposed to ship them to this LHS, that and with no reason or notice, Horizon cut them off cold and wasn't even going to honor the orders.
Was that the Red Barn place? I heard about them getting cut off from Horizon.

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12-05-2012 03:33 PM  5 years agoPost 238
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I like Horizon Hobby customer service, but I feel that the mCPx I preordered was a piece of crap.
How does one, exactly, "preorder" an mCPX these days? Those things are available everywhere.

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Then with in two days we all found out why which was that the day they were supposed to ship them to this LHS, that and with no reason or notice, Horizon cut them off cold and wasn't even going to honor the orders.
Was that the Red Barn place? I heard about them getting cut off from Horizon.
No think that was the last place I was talking about where it was the mCPx that did them in.

Think their still in business as they were big into RC Cars first and even had a big track at their facility, but lost being able to get anything from Horizon.

The place I'm talking about was many years ago and was down south somewhere.

Basically denials all over the place for both but fact is they were of the very very few selling stuff under MAP for some time an then some big promoted thing came out for pre-sales and they got lots of press and pre-orders from that and right before delivery, slice.

Some will say was one place for the 130 that sold it cheap where they did not have that happen, and also got some snippy answers bout that from the anointed ones when I made some comments on that around the time of its release, and will admit that stayed available from them for like a month an half (?), but then some how was mysteriously unable to be gotten by them for the longest time all while everyone selling it at MAP could get as much as they wanted....well...all until now where it is at MAP.

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12-05-2012 03:50 PM  5 years agoPost 240
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I think places are allowed to sell Horizon stuff well below MAP. They just aren't allowed to actually advertise it. Ampdraw does it all the time. You can't see the lower price until you actually put it in your cart and check there. Horizon must be cool with it because they (and others) have been doing it for a long time now and everyone knows about it, yet they haven't been cut off. Last I checked, the $279 130X from Horizon could be had for $230 at Ampdraw.

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