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11-07-2012 05:44 PM  7 years ago
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Mark Ryder

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New NoBar Sub Section
Use this subsection to discuss flybarless setups that work without a flybarless controller.
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11-07-2012 05:48 PM  7 years ago
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HeliCuzz should have trademarked that name.   ▲
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11-08-2012 12:40 AM  7 years ago
heli-cuzz

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LoL

Glad to know I still get credit for coining the phrase NoBar from all my RR friends that know me here.
Thanks Dood for linking me.
Can't believe how long its been since I first ventured with Nobar.
Fury 55 NIB Furion6 CGY750 fbl helicopter-Frenzy CGY750 fbl nitro-Frenzy fbl NOBAR90
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11-08-2012 10:54 AM  7 years ago
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WHY!... BTS
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11-08-2012 06:00 PM  7 years ago
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Why what?
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11-08-2012 06:08 PM  7 years ago
Mark Ryder

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Please feed me some topic links that I can recategorize.Mark Ryder
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11-08-2012 06:25 PM  7 years ago
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whats all the fuss?
I would sure like to know what all the fuss is about with FBL. My first FBL was a 1979 Kavan Jet Ranger, then in the Eighties, I bought a GMP legend FBL. I would sure like to try these heli's on modern electronics and engine. My guess is with the Legend, is it would be a awsome flyer and as good as some current heli's.

However,the difference in the old and the new, is the new is designed to use with a 3-axis gyro, and the old was not, as we did not have them yet. The older servos were slower, and FBL made up for it by giving faster response,more control authority,and crisper aerobatics.
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11-08-2012 07:34 PM  7 years ago
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OK to clarify my WHY question.

Flybarless controllers are plentiful and the price is a small percentage of total helicopter cost so why not just get a flybarless controller. I did fly a heli without a controller a few years back and found it to be not fun to fly. If it’s not fun why do it? I was just curious as to why anyone would do that.

Maybe the extra challenge is the fun for some?

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11-08-2012 07:39 PM  7 years ago
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I do agree. With the very small percentage of people flying "noBar", and an even smaller percentage of that group who would possibly want to discuss it online, "noBar" is hardly popular enough to justify an entire sub forum.  ▲
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11-08-2012 09:41 PM  7 years ago
Chris Bergen

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I would like to discuss it, but don't wanna get pinked... LOL.Chris D. Bergen
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11-08-2012 09:42 PM  7 years ago
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I think you can only get picked if you're a nobar factory rep.  ▲
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11-08-2012 09:44 PM  7 years ago
Chris Bergen

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Nobar factory rep...That's FUNNY!! Chris D. Bergen
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11-08-2012 09:47 PM  7 years ago
Mark Ryder

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I would like to discuss it, but don't wanna get pinked... LOL.
Why would you get pinked. Are you selling something?
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11-09-2012 01:10 AM  7 years ago
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11-09-2012 01:34 AM  7 years ago
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Thanks for the feedback.Mark Ryder
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11-09-2012 02:01 AM  7 years ago
heli-cuzz

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OK to clarify my WHY question.

Flybarless controllers are plentiful and the price is a small percentage of total helicopter cost so why not just get a flybarless controller. I did fly a heli without a controller a few years back and found it to be not fun to fly. If it’s not fun why do it? I was just curious as to why anyone would do that.

Maybe the extra challenge is the fun for some?
You ask why?.....

.... My reason was simple at the time. I had the Outrage 50 conversion fbl head. Money was tight at the time so instead of investing in a 3 axis gyro I kept the GY611 and went NOBAR.
Within the first two flights. I immediately loved the way my heli handled flying stab free fbl.
I enjoyed every flight more and more. After two years I decided to go to a fbl system. I immediately fell in love with the new power steering unit and havn't looked back since the switch.
That's the beauty of this hobby. There are no rules stating how you should fly your helicopters.
All in all, NOBAR made me a better pilot and happy to say I had lots of fun flying that style.
Fury 55 NIB Furion6 CGY750 fbl helicopter-Frenzy CGY750 fbl nitro-Frenzy fbl NOBAR90
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11-09-2012 04:14 AM  7 years ago
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Might as well add a little NOBAR color.

Watch at YouTube

Fury 55 NIB Furion6 CGY750 fbl helicopter-Frenzy CGY750 fbl nitro-Frenzy fbl NOBAR90
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11-09-2012 03:31 PM  7 years ago
Chris Bergen

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Well, let's see...

Watch at YouTube

The cyclic ATV's are a bit reduced (from 100 to appx 85), the collective is reduced to about 60%.

I did install stronger servos later (this vid was taken in 2009), and it got even better!!

It now has EDGE FBL blades on it also, again improving the flight characteristics.

While Heli-cuzz moved on to using 3 axis systems, I still fly this gasser in this manner, but have to admit that I do have a Beast X on my Tazer (and am quite impressed with it!)
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11-09-2012 04:28 PM  7 years ago
BobOD

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Not for nothing but no-bar, same as fly-bar, will not stuff your $heli$ into the ground because of the development of a vibration, or a faulty sensor or a programming glitch. To this day, all of these are happening even with the most reputable gyro out there.

I've tried no-bar but currently have FBL gyros on all my birds with no issues but I have had only one electronics related crash in a 30 year history of RC and it was due to a FBL controller.

So, there's one possible reason for the choice.
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11-10-2012 01:23 PM  7 years ago
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I use FBL units now mainly because I normally have to fly in very strong winds (20mph +) when I do fly. In those cases the lowered pilot workload is generally a little more enjoyable.

One thing I am hoping for, though, is for Futaba to get their CGY 750 into working condition (I've heard that a firmware update is coming). The 750 has a really nice feature set for switchable gains on the 8FG radio - you can very easily setup "NOBAR on-a-switch", where you can disable the cyclic gyros in flight on the transmitter. That way, you can fly NOBAR at will without having to manually change a bunch of settings, etc.

This may be doable now on the Vbar too with its bank-switching, but I don't know how cumbersome it is.

But NOBAR is barrel-of-monkeys fun, at least until the winds get over 20mph. Then it can be a bit of a handful. Otherwise, it's a very enjoyable and interesting regime of flight to be exposed to...

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