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10-28-2012 12:30 AM  6 years agoPost 41
Phaedrus

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While I certainly feel everyone has a right to their own opinion I also feel that considering the depth of one's thought and consideration in arriving at that opinion is a valuable tool to asses if it has any merit. Keep in mind that simply thinking something does not make it true.

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10-28-2012 12:36 AM  6 years agoPost 42
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10-28-2012 12:37 AM  6 years agoPost 43
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Just 'think' about what phallus just said.lol

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10-28-2012 12:40 AM  6 years agoPost 44
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10-28-2012 12:41 AM  6 years agoPost 45
GREYEAGLE

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Fell Face First right Into IT

Can I Fish or Can I FISH !!!!!!

Hey Peter: Gona Need some Help on the Net !!!!!

Nothing better than tossing the BLUNT

" Truth Shall Set You Free "

What happens when one assume one's Knowledge

ONE word : { BUSTED }

P.S> ( I can't figure out why he edited out 2/3r'ds ) of his original post ??? My / My : Musta been a Explosion !!! It was a { Anti Colonic Christian Blow out }

I just figure it as more Ambassador's

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10-28-2012 12:45 AM  6 years agoPost 46
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Thank you for keeping track of my posts krapter. This proves I am an off topic master. Lol

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10-28-2012 01:20 AM  6 years agoPost 47
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I guess if more of us were Obama's rich cronies lining up for taxpayer money and played golf he would have had more time to explain Obamacare to us!
Of course we still wouldn't want it crammed down our throats with back door, democrat only deals as it was done.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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10-28-2012 01:22 AM  6 years agoPost 48
Dennis (RIP)

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While I certainly feel everyone has a right to their own opinion I also feel that considering the depth of one's thought and consideration in arriving at that opinion is a valuable tool to asses if it has any merit. Keep in mind that simply thinking something does not make it true.
But, knowledge does.

How you could ignore what is known about the obummer and take sides against it is beyond anything I know as common sense in America. Not saying you can't, of course. Thats your right and your freedom to do so.

Its just that your views and your ideology go against everything this country was created to be. Yes, both sides have been wrong many times. But, the progressive left does not wish for America to be what was intended. It wishes to destroy all that it was and intends to be and America right along with it. The right has often been to weak to stand up against it, with some of the Bush years a prime example. This business of everyone having a "Fair Shot" is a prime example of the progressive left's views that government is the one to give that to you by taking from those that have earned their "Fair Shot" with the skills, cunning and efforts of their own with out government help. I am on the side of the guy/gal that earned for themselves, not the guy/gal that wishes to take from the efforts of others.

If the last 4 years is not enough evidence for you, then the next 4 years should be. But, somehow, I doubt it will be.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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10-28-2012 01:35 AM  6 years agoPost 49
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Fwiw...

I tried...I really did...

I have known Phaedrus for years, consider him a friend..But we differ wildly on politics/philosophy..

I agree with him..no one has the right to impose their will on someone else..So I freely identify as an anarchist...No, not those folk...look up the definition.

I deny anthropogenic global warming...See the recent articles about the growth of the antarctic ice cap...Global warming addresses total heat in the system...I love the AGW crowd parsing and dancing aroumd this.

I am a Deist....do not cling to religion.

I am unemployed currently, a casualty like so many others of the economic recovery.
SCOTUS...See my remark on imposing your will on someone else..A liberal court expands the scope of a government already way out of constitutional bounds.I fear legislation regarding confiscation of firearms, for that would result in my death.
I will soon collect my SS..why people continue to call this an entitlement is beyond me...If the govt spent my money...Not my problem.

In short,()I am NOT a Repelican..But there are many like me..And cannot see any reason to support our affirmative action chief executive..See you at the polls.

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10-28-2012 01:41 AM  6 years agoPost 50
Phaedrus

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Just for you John -

http://www.redorbit.com/news/scienc...-ice-cap-10241/
“There’s been an overall increase in the sea ice cover in the Antarctic, which is the opposite of what is happening in the Arctic,” said lead author Claire Parkinson, a climate scientist with NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland. “However, this growth rate is not nearly as large as the decrease in the Arctic.”
See, you were only looking at half the data!!

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10-28-2012 01:51 AM  6 years agoPost 51
Phaedrus

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I will soon collect my SS..why people continue to call this an entitlement is beyond me...If the govt spent my money...Not my problem.
Good point. Now consider this:
Married couples generally benefit the most from Social Security and Medicare payments, especially when one spouse earns significantly more than the other. A two-earner couple with one spouse earning the average wage each year ($43,100 in 2010) and the other spouse earning 45 percent of the average wage annually ($19,400 in 2010) who both retire in 2010 will get back $300,000 more in retirement benefits than they paid into the system. A couple with this earnings history would pay $500,000 in taxes over their lifetime, but get back $800,000 in benefits.

When both members of the couple earn the same average wage over their working life, they get back $192,000 more than their tax contributions. In this case the spouses paid $690,000 in Social Security and Medicare taxes and are likely to get $882,000 worth of benefits in retirement.
http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs...s-in-retirement

And that includes adding interest to the payments you made. So I assume once you get your money back with interest you will stop cashing the checks, right

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10-28-2012 02:39 AM  6 years agoPost 52
Dennis (RIP)

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Married couples generally benefit the most from Social Security and Medicare payments, especially when one spouse earns significantly more than the other. A two-earner couple with one spouse earning the average wage each year ($43,100 in 2010) and the other spouse earning 45 percent of the average wage annually ($19,400 in 2010) who both retire in 2010 will get back $300,000 more in retirement benefits than they paid into the system. A couple with this earnings history would pay $500,000 in taxes over their lifetime, but get back $800,000 in benefits.

When both members of the couple earn the same average wage over their working life, they get back $192,000 more than their tax contributions. In this case the spouses paid $690,000 in Social Security and Medicare taxes and are likely to get $882,000 worth of benefits in retirement.
Nice try.

But, they should easily be getting twice that if they had the option to put that same money into a 401k for an average of 45 tom 50 years.

The reason they don't is because social security also goes to those that have not paid into it, never will pay into it, or take advantage of disability claims. Those disability claims have quadrupled since the obummer took office and they are paying out to those that are desperate because they cannot find work. The social security system is being raped by the takers at the expense of the payers.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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10-28-2012 02:44 AM  6 years agoPost 53
Phaedrus

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We were talking about social security, not personal 401k etc. Plain fact is most people get back what they paid into it with interest. Once you do, you are living off the government dole.

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10-28-2012 02:51 AM  6 years agoPost 54
GREYEAGLE

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SO :---
What about the hundred's of thousand's that NEver contributed to the system and are Partakers.

Some -3 to four generation back in linage and infant's are still producing more. Cradle to grave. Few structured families : Just little girls' pushing one and carrying another.

From Housing to Heath Care to Free Education / Food and Transportation to Obama-phone's.

Then Legion's of legion's Many NON -Contributor's or Non - Citisen's of the nation.

Here for the Cheese and not Citizenship. Broke the LAW coming IN.

{ The 47% } Non Conservative Value's

Then the very sound financial retired - with 4 Hover Round's in their garage - " collecting back ONLY a Small Portion " for what has been contributed "

Since they have worked their Whole legal age -{ 14yr's old ) - may have a bit of retirement saving's that is being taken from them Loosing home's do to TAXES's so others- can have what they did not earn.


70% of the National Federal Budget is use for some form of Benevolence Benefit -

Those that DID Not Earn it -- collecting -- greatly out way those that did contributing .

Their are 8.8 Million Citizen's on S.S. { Disability } and found the way onto the TAX Benefit Role. Percentage of increase since OBAMA is dramatic than prior.

Hence 16 Trillion on Debt - then 138 to 158 Trillion Leveraged out 30 year's in the future on firm contract and commitment.

The Debt to even the UN -Born Infant is around $40,000.00 before birth to this Nation. DEBT :

Their is WAY more coming out of the Reserve than is going in " LEVERAGED" Debt being payed to the un entitled.

This life style has been promoted for the vote - by the DEMOCRATS

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10-28-2012 02:58 AM  6 years agoPost 55
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10-28-2012 03:09 AM  6 years agoPost 56
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0000 has done more for America in his contributions to the Hot Girls Thread than Obama has done in 4 years.

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10-28-2012 03:38 AM  6 years agoPost 57
drdot

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Fwiw..

I still say total heat...temp of ice, mass, etc...As Phaedrus says..All
the data must be accounted for....
As far as SS goes..I didn't design it..But I have been forced (see my other post) to contribute to it..Thereby creating a contract..I pay all my bills..Uncle Sam needs to as well..Had I had the money the govt. took to invest in Microsoft in the 80's..The point would be moot...
In my current circumstance, I am also going on Medicare...If the economy had recovered, I would not need to make that decision..Again..I did not create the system..But I have had to contribute, so using the pejorative entitlement again is disengenuous....

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10-28-2012 02:12 PM  6 years agoPost 58
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what about the people that pay into SS their entire lives and die before they recieve a dime??? The whole damned thing is a rip-off, especially now that people are latching on to the disability. It's a money sport down here for people to grab an ambulance chaser and get SS disability. They don't make it easy time-wise, but if you psuh hard enough for 2 years or so, you'll get that check.

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10-28-2012 04:44 PM  6 years agoPost 59
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Fwiw..

N o question that SS and other govt. funded programs are a ponzi scheme..But as I said, I was forced to play.....So they are forced to pay....Ethics and philosophy play no part in this..It's simple self interest....

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10-28-2012 04:54 PM  6 years agoPost 60
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absolutely. How it's called an entitlement is beyond me.

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