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10-26-2012 04:17 AM  5 years agoPost 1
Njheli1

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I recently bought a Sceadu from a member on here and it arrived yesterday. The helicopter was said to be in mint condition and ready to fly with no dings, dents scratches, ect. Well I didn't get a chance to unpack it till today. What found was a helicopter to be in mostly good condition, yet had some flaws that I was willing to overlook. Upon inspection I found some discoloring on the head of the os50hx, a dent in the muffler, the tail servo's rubber seals are hanging out of it in some parts (suggests being tampered with), and the tail boom had some heavy scratches on the underside. Now when I purchase a heli form members here I always do a full inspection on it unless it's someone I know personally. This inspection is usually to to drop the motor and check the internals, check all the bearings maybe replace the clunk line ect. The owner had informed me that the helicopter had never been crashed or flown hard (it seems thats what they all say) and had about 3 gallons through it before he put it on his shelf and thats where it sat for the next three years till I purchased it. Well, when I dropped the motor and broke it down this what I found. Mind you I have not flown this heli. I have not even reassembled it since I took it out of the box this afternoon.

I've have pm'd the seller but he has not responded yet. I don't want to mention his name till he gets a chance to make good on this. I would assume some would now that there engine was like this? What do you guys think? did he send this knowing its condition?

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10-26-2012 06:18 AM  5 years agoPost 2
LiveToDrive76

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That really sucks. I got a bad motor once and have since decided that I either get pics of cylinder through exhaust or I suck it up and buy new. Mine wasn't quite as bad as yours but I still think it should have been noticed and the cylinder was easily noticeable through exhaust port. I gave the guy the bennefit of the doubt and just let it go. I don't think people know as much about these little motors as they think they do. Hope he makes it right with you, good luck.

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10-26-2012 06:19 AM  5 years agoPost 3
Tyler

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The rubber seals on the tail servo could have easily deteriorated while sitting on the shelf for several years after being exposed to exhaust.

That engine could have easily been flown and put away without noticing that it was damaged, especially if they didn't disassemble it for inspection as you mention. I'm not saying the engine ran great, but I have known many pilots with poor performing engines that thought they had something great. I was one of them.

I once tried to sell an engine to a friend so I could upgrade. I had been flying the engine successfully for some time. It always ran, performed as good as I had experienced with it. I never suspected a problem at all. He dropped the engine and gave it a very careful inspection and handed it back to me and said, "no thanks". This was 30 years of modeling experience speaking. He was kind enough to tear the engine down at my request and show me that the connecting rod was wearing excessively. I thought it flew great, but it was showing considerable wear. I thanked him for the lesson and apologized for my ignorance as I accepted the paper weight back from his possession.

I felt like an idiot and feared that he interpreted my sale offer as an attempted scam. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Unfortunately, you could not inspect the heli in person. The seller obviously didn't look at the true condition OR he did indeed try to pass this heli off as more than it actually was.

Hope you can both work things out.

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10-26-2012 09:11 AM  5 years agoPost 4
Hoggy42

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Mate he would have known it didn't run or at the very least the last time he flew it. The enigne stopped and wouldn't start again.

That piston is stuffed bits of it would have been getting caught up in the glow plug and stopping it dead. That's if it even had enough compression start which I doubt.

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10-26-2012 01:15 PM  5 years agoPost 5
2kwik2c

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I'll be honest and admit that I too had sold a heli with a bad engine on it. I sold my Turbulence D3 with a YS91SR to a member here long time ago. I always kept my helis in mint condition and after every flight I make sure I clean out the oil residues and dirt off it before storing it. When it was time to sell the D3, I advertised that everything is well kept and maintained. It took only a short time and the heli got sold. When I packaged the heli I made sure it was well packed to prevent it from moving inside the box.

When the buyer got it on his end, he PMed me and said the flybar is slightly bent. I was surprise to hear that as I inspected the heli before packing it. I clearly remember that the flybar was straight and packed it in a way that it doesn't come in contact with any of the other parts or at the edges of the box. So we both assumed that the shipping and handling wasn't done properly (no surprise there).

Then after a day another PM came to me and the buyer told me that engine is no good. He sent me pictures and to my shock the internals and piston head are rusted. So rusted to a point that you can't even crank it with your hand. I was so embarrassed and tried to explain that I am not scamming him on the sale. I kept corresponding to the person to let him know I am not running away from this responsibility and I even offered to buy him a brand new engine shipped directly to his home. Luckily he was a very nice person and told me he will just rebuild it. I then offered to refund the amount he spends on buying the spare parts for it. After the rebuild he told me the amount and refunded it back to his account.

Hopefully that person will contact you soon and fix the issue. Good luck!

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10-26-2012 03:11 PM  5 years agoPost 6
Njheli1

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No response yet from the seller but I still would like to give him the benefit of the doubt. little more info on this. When I went to remove the head every head bolt was loose. Not even hand tight, I found that to be strange. That could be why the motor leaned out but I'm not sure. The motor can still be turned over by hand but its rougher then an undamaged motor. The connecting rod looks like it was never used before, it's perfectly shiny. Other than the things I mentioned, the rest of the heli seems to be fine. All the bearings are free and smooth so far. The metal head has no scratches and seems to be strait. The metal tail is also has no scratches and is smooth. And the carbon frame is shiny and new looking with the exception of the header tank being CA'd to the side, making removal impossible with out damage.
I will keep everyone posted.....

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10-26-2012 05:34 PM  5 years agoPost 7
Tyler

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The top of the cinder shows staining from green fuel which indicates it was running for some time with loose head bolts. I've seen con rods that shiny after much use.

The engine was run lean.

Enjoy things that money can buy IF you don't lose the things money can't buy.

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10-26-2012 06:40 PM  5 years agoPost 8
Njheli1

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I figured
That if I'm paying as much as a fully loaded bnf trex 700n that it should not have any issue's with it. And because of that I'm feel on pricple and price I not going to suck it up.

Thanks for the info so far guys.

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10-26-2012 07:43 PM  5 years agoPost 9
wargor

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Classified purchase received not as advertised pics
I'm sorry that you have to deal with this. I have bought two heli's on this forum and I haven't had any real bad problems. The two people I got heli's from were very good to deal with. That being said, I'm pretty much done buying used heli's. It's just not worth it in my opinion. I know when I sell something it is as I say it is. I haven't had anyone come back to question the sale. How I sell something is what I expect someone selling something to me should sell something.

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10-26-2012 08:09 PM  5 years agoPost 10
Njheli1

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I'm sorry that you have to deal with this. I have bought two heli's on this forum and I haven't had any real bad problems. The two people I got heli's from were very good to deal with. That being said, I'm pretty much done buying used heli's. It's just not worth it in my opinion. I know when I sell something it is as I say it is. I haven't had anyone come back to question the sale. How I sell something is what I expect someone selling something to me should sell something.
I feel the same way as you, When I sell something and I say it is mint condition, it looks like it's brand new and has no scratches, nicks, or dents (unless I disclose that it does) regardless of how many flights I've put on it. That being said, I know that everybody has their own idea of what "mint condition" is, so I have come to expect a scratch or a nick here and there; I mean after all it is used. But I don't expect to get a thrashed motor, and that starts to make me suspicious to what else is wrong. It also makes it harder to ignore some of the flaws that you would normally not complain about, even when It is described to be in perfect condition.
I would normally buy new also, but unfortunately this heli is no longer in production and is very hard to find used.
Like I said before the seller has yet to read my pm's and I would at least like to give him the weekend to respond. Luckily I used paypal and payed the fee's.

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10-29-2012 01:49 PM  5 years agoPost 11
Ryster1

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That is terrible!!

I hope he makes it right...

The Engine looks like it was run Hard..



Steve
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10-29-2012 03:33 PM  5 years agoPost 12
DS 8717

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I seriously doubt that engine would even run at all with that much damage to the piston.....

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10-29-2012 04:27 PM  5 years agoPost 13
Tyler

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Any update from seller?

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10-29-2012 05:55 PM  5 years agoPost 14
Njheli1

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Not yet.
I filed a Paypal dispute just to have it on record with them, and if he doesn't answer I will turn it in to a claim. But as far as I can tell he has not yet been back on line. The PayPal dispute should notify him by email though. We will see what happens.

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10-29-2012 06:23 PM  5 years agoPost 15
wrongler

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When you think its appropriate, let us know who it is.

Bill Whittaker

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10-29-2012 06:43 PM  5 years agoPost 16
Tyler

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I'd say he has had enough time.

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10-30-2012 06:42 PM  5 years agoPost 17
Ryster1

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Nj..

I sure hope you get it worked out...



Steve
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10-31-2012 12:32 AM  5 years agoPost 18
Njheli1

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Thanks.
I'll keep you posted....

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11-04-2012 03:04 AM  5 years agoPost 19
Njheli1

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It's been over a week and no response, time to release the name?
....

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11-04-2012 03:21 AM  5 years agoPost 20
Tyler

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My experiences have taught me...
...any ethical seller would check up on the buyer after a sale. Being unavailable for over a week is simply strategized absence. I always follow up with my buyers, which explains my long list of positive feedback posts.

Fight for a refund any way you can, make the claims. Don't delay. Claims are time sensitive.

Release the name if you wish. Most of us appreciate information on shady sellers so we don't get burned in the future.

After going public, expect to hear sob stories from the seller. Move forward as though the sob stories are fictional, and don't slow down the reimbursement process in any way or for any reason.

Enjoy things that money can buy IF you don't lose the things money can't buy.

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