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10-25-2012 01:37 AM  6 years agoPost 21
Steff Giguere

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If you don't like FBL and when that is the only thing available it buy, it's coming just wait for it, then get a V-Bar and add 30 flybar simulation, you should like it. I tried from 0 to 30 and settled at 12 because this is where I like it.
Good luck in the future.

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10-25-2012 04:08 AM  6 years agoPost 22
icanfly

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I apologize if you take my reaction wrong, fb is just a mechanical gyro and that's the point, with or without is not the end all or be all but the means to an enjoyable afternoon, enjoy it however you please, your fine with anything that makes you happy.

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10-25-2012 06:47 AM  6 years agoPost 23
Volcano

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The fact that we were using a tail gyro already makes flybar obsolete now.

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10-25-2012 07:23 AM  6 years agoPost 24
topgun3200

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it seems like fb might stat with some coaxial heli's and possibly ultra low end models. but the high end heli's are fbl... its like in the Rc car world most everybody uses brushless motors, and before they only used brushed.

wait your not suppose to be this awesome?

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10-25-2012 09:50 AM  6 years agoPost 25
ebonicrobot

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Lol true i remember my 9 turn Speed gym brushed motor i used on my RS4 Pro 2....those were the days.

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10-25-2012 02:39 PM  6 years agoPost 26
holzback

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I apologize if you take my reaction wrong, fb is just a mechanical gyro and that's the point, with or without is not the end all or be all but the means to an enjoyable afternoon, enjoy it however you please, your fine with anything that makes you happy.
from experiance i could not get the fbl to feel like a flybar. the point is to replace a fly bar, but a lot of the units dont do that. i would try a vbar, im sure it would do what i want, but i could buy another fb heli by the time i bought everything i needed.

you aint crashin you aint learnin

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10-25-2012 06:35 PM  6 years agoPost 27
davehour

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Align has released models that come FB and FBL. They are also offering nitro kits updated with their latest control technology.

Since I began in this hobby many years ago, when FBL wasn't anything close to be seen, I didn't like the FB because it doesn't look real. It also was in the path all the time, whether in the car, going to the fly line, crashes, etc.

I had a T-rex 500ESP and decided to try FBL myself and bought the FBL conversion kit, and a BeastX as the FBL controller. The experience was phenomenal and I was impressed because the converted heli felt very alike the FBL one (BeastX, thanks) but more predictable and stable. Now, I'm all FBL.

I think FB will be something from the past that was necessary to now have FBL helis. But there will be one kit or another than can be purchased FB for the ones who want them.

David

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10-25-2012 07:27 PM  6 years agoPost 28
OICU812

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You can love Flybar or love Flybarless, however this is not like an electric versus nitro thread. Whether you like it or not Flybars are on their way out and fast and it is real obvious to. As said companies who make and sell the products have such little demand anymore for flybar helis there is zero sense in trying to spend time and money in development, in a few years max I am willing to bet that ZERO helis will be released with a flybar, in fact I am really pushing it saying two years it is likely a ton less.

Feel is different yes, as anything new once you are used to it you never want to go back anyone IMO who has not felt same did not try right system or gave it enough time. Like anything you have to educate yourself on the product and the setup. I've tried some folks helis with what I consider the best brands and felt terrible and realized they had literally not even setup anything or spent any time on it to understand it, so if someones opinion is based on a bad setup FBL system or a crap heli with crap guts is that fair? Just sayin' ....

The FBL units out there today are far less then what was considered a good single gyro only a few years back, remember the GY611 was 450-500 bucks? So may folks seem to forget this and make all kinds of excuses on how much it costs to go FBL, perhaps those same people are so new to the hobby they don't know this? The hobby has actually become dramatically cheaper from 5 years ago it is amazing.

I think another thing is intimidation, people seem to think it takes a brain surgeon to figure out FBL, once you take the actual initiative to learn it, it's FAR easier IMO and far quicker to setup a FBL heli over a flybar, and well the repairs.... sooooooo much easier.

I been FBL since Vbar 3.16 and first aluminum sensors and wind pipes were cool lol.I have friends that still have some flybar helis and I've flown them on occasion to remind myself how much I love FBL, it seems like I am waiting for things to happen on a flybar, things are slow, to me anyhow.

It is what it is flybars will be complete obselete in no time at all, FBL is not a fad and is here to stay so convert or be happy with what ya got, have fun.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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10-25-2012 07:33 PM  6 years agoPost 29
ebonicrobot

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I love FBL. The only time a hated it was when i first bought myself a BeastX and strapped it to my Protos. I tipped over twice on takeoff and destroyed two sets of blades. Once I did a lil research, and learned to switch out the stock tape its been a cake walk. I would never look back!

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10-25-2012 07:59 PM  6 years agoPost 30
Timtreo

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I hope FB doesn't go way of the Dodo. I have both and much prefer the feeling of my FB Helis, I just can't get used to the computer inputs taking "control" of the heli. I feel much more in control with a FB. As for new tech on FB gyros , not sure what else they can do? My Quarks are rock solid, at least for the way I fly (which is not any sort of hardcore 3D...).

Edit: I do like the FBL units on multi blade scales though.

Check out my night blades in my gallery.

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10-26-2012 07:14 AM  6 years agoPost 31
even-flo

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autonomous helicopters with gps units hang a bag with a note and a $20.00bill from the landing skid send it to the local pony-keg
and it comes back with a 6 pack

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10-26-2012 08:39 AM  6 years agoPost 32
RappyTappy

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I too was resistant to the FBL change, mainly cause I have flown flybars for over a decade so after all that practice it kinda miffed me that I had to kind 'relearn' the manuevers I had so ingrained in me with a flybar. The main thing I had to, and still have to, is to get myself to stop fiddling with the sticks so much and just rely that the flybarless unit will do the work and keep the heli level or tracking straight and what not. At first I was always overcontrolling it.

But after learning flybarless, there are many advantages and the smaller the heli gets, the vastly bigger advantages. I mean, a 130X flies as stable as a 700 flybar does, whaaa...?

Also, aerobatic autos are amazing as you don't rely on airspeed over the paddles to get your heli flipped over as the headspeed decays. Also, I like flybarless in that the flips are very consistent regardless which will (and is) taking manuevers to the next level.

Kinda like before HH tail gyros, before just flying around backwards with a simple gyro was accomplishment, but then after HH came out the accomplishment was high speed tail first hurricanes, funnels, piroflips and such.

So I guess my way of looking at it now, is its not really cheating or making anything easier, its just a way of accessing even more advanced and challenging manuevers. Either way, as long as I can get outside, hang with some friends and twiddle my idle fingers on some radio control sticks, its all good. Happy flying guys

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10-26-2012 11:23 AM  6 years agoPost 33
icanfly

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because fb assembly rotating mass adds drag to the entire main driveline, the percentage losses on motor, battery, and esc, are those that make flybar sluggish compared to fbl, sometimes a good thing. anytime you remove mass from a driveline results in extra power to the blades, and therefore responsiveness.

If you want to slow a fbl heli down a bit, add weight like another battery, a benefit to flight times then (up to a certain point like how big the 2x battery pair is. Bingo.

regarding gyros and tuning on fbl, a little goes a long way. In tuning a tail gyro, I found that 25percent was much better than 75percent gain. You want the gyro to cancel out extremely minor changes in rotor disc orientation so you don't over correct and make things worse which always happens in gyro-less fbl flight, try that sometime.

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