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10-24-2012 01:55 AM  5 years agoPost 41
TCP

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Yes goblin dose have belt tensioner, have not had to adjust it yet!!! Love this heli

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10-24-2012 02:02 AM  5 years agoPost 42
BladeStrikes

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Rogman88
The ones having issues are ones not setting them up right....
Its the truth and sorry you don't like it ..

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10-24-2012 02:07 AM  5 years agoPost 43
BladeStrikes

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Thats one thing I wish Align came out with,a belt tensioner for the 600E/N.Doesn't bother me one bit because it takes a whole 3mins to adjust but with the Michigan temps,I let the heli sit outside my door 5mins before leaving so I can adjust the belt.

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10-24-2012 03:48 AM  5 years agoPost 44
BobOD

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If so, doesn't this negate the need to adjust the belt?
Now we have nothing to go on about.

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10-24-2012 01:55 PM  5 years agoPost 45
Richardmid1

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Dood I believe RM is saying the belt warms up during a flight and therefore expends, the boom will not warm up at all hardly.

I would tighten my belt every 10 flights any day over paying the ridiculous prices for TT gears! They know you'll need them! The numbers they are made in we get massively ripped off for them.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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10-24-2012 02:50 PM  5 years agoPost 46
Rogman88

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For someone who's never flown a Trex 600 ESP with both TT and belt configurations, I am surprised that you know so much about it. After watching hundreds of your flights, I've never once seen you do a fast nose in slide to the helicopters left (your right) and push the heli vertical into a death spriral with both a TT and belt. This move puts a maximum sustained strain on the tail. In belt configuration, it required a slight right rudder to keep it level, but not with TT configuration. You, on many occasions have said "if you haven't done it, then you can't comment on it" in the EvN threads, I am suprised you know that this heli, that you've never seen before or even performed the move mentioned, knows it wasn't "set up correctly". How does Lon set up a belt anyway? I tried both loose, middle and tighter belt configurations, all with the same effect. The Mikado Logo 600 doesn't need to be "set up" like Lon's Trex does. It just flies and does everything as it should, without the need for a TT to get it done.

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10-24-2012 03:20 PM  5 years agoPost 47
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In belt configuration, it required a slight right rudder to keep it level
So, you're saying the belt was skipping in this maneuver?

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10-24-2012 03:53 PM  5 years agoPost 48
eddiscus

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Now, how about going with belt AND TT and have the best of both.
Working on one of those right now.

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10-24-2012 04:13 PM  5 years agoPost 49
Rogman88

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Actually Bob, the tail just wouldn't hold. The heli would try to return to fast foward flight and not stay nose in while sliding very fast to it's left (my right). The heli would also make a noise like the tail drive was really working to keep up. If you've ever heard an Mcpx tail working...kind of like that. I may have a vid around somewhere. I'll post it if I can find one. Level may not have been the proper word. Get the popcorn ready, this may be interesting...

Edit: Fast forward to the 2:20 mark. You can hear the tail drive trying to keep up as the heli goes into the vertical. I literally had to hold some right to keep the tail facing away from me. Lon may say something about the vbar not holding the tail and it not being the belt drive. Bottom line is that it didn't need right stick in it's TT configuration. Anyway, I'm done with having to "set up" the Align heli to make it fly right. I just fly my Logo and and have fun.

Watch at YouTube

The same move done at 50 second mark. The tail noise is much less than the Align and no right stick required to hold the tail. And more importantly...no "setup" required.

Watch at YouTube

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10-24-2012 05:24 PM  5 years agoPost 50
BladeStrikes

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For someone who's never flown a Trex 600 ESP with both TT and belt configurations, I am surprised that you know so much about it. After watching hundreds of your flights, I've never once seen you do a fast nose in slide to the helicopters left (your right) and push the heli vertical into a death spriral with both a TT and belt. This move puts a maximum sustained strain on the tail. In belt configuration, it required a slight right rudder to keep it level, but not with TT configuration. You, on many occasions have said "if you haven't done it, then you can't comment on it" in the EvN threads, I am suprised you know that this heli, that you've never seen before or even performed the move mentioned, knows it wasn't "set up correctly". How does Lon set up a belt anyway? I tried both loose, middle and tighter belt configurations, all with the same effect. The Mikado Logo 600 doesn't need to be "set up" like Lon's Trex does. It just flies and does everything as it should, without the need for a TT to get it done.
Are you OK because clearly not??I didn't point you out or say anything to ya but for some reason you feel the need to jump on your high horse like always and lie .I owned a few Trex 600E's with belt and TT so why lie and say I never flown one??I had the first 600E Sport with belt then TT and 600E Pro with TT then changed to belt,also have a few videos too ..



^^ Thats with TT and belt

Ive done what your talking about many times and thats not hard on the tail LOL..Theres ALOT of moves hard on the tail and thats not one of them..First you claim stripping TT gears doing tictocs and the tail blowing out with the belt but now the story changes and it only happens on that one move which isn't hard on the tail,TT gear or belt..
Tictocs aren't hard on the tail but you managed to strip the front gears which is clearly setup issues ..

Watch at YouTube

You wanna do something hard on the tail,do a Riva wall going 70mph or piro revirs ..That stuff is way harder on the tail than tictocs and the easy move you said.I tried breaking my heli this day in flight and I did.At 4:19 I shattered the oneway sleeve,that was it.We expected the tail to let go because you have to snap it over and stop it on a dime..

Watch at YouTube




I (along with MANY others) do moves WAY harder on the tail than you do so how is it I don't have all kinds of tail issues like you did?

The Trex might not have the best setup but they don't strip TT gears and the belt doesn't skip/blow the tail out when setup correct..

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10-24-2012 05:31 PM  5 years agoPost 51
Rogman88

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Ok what was wrong with the "setup". Thank God I don't have to "setup" Align crap anymore.

The 600E is not the ESP BTW. It's heavier and was actually a step back IMO.

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10-24-2012 05:32 PM  5 years agoPost 52
BladeStrikes

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Actually Bob, the tail just wouldn't hold. The heli would try to return to fast foward flight and not stay nose in while sliding very fast to it's left (my right). The heli would also make a noise like the tail drive was really working to keep up. If you've ever heard an Mcpx tail working...kind of like that. I may have a vid around somewhere. I'll post it if I can find one. Level may not have been the proper word. Get the popcorn ready, this may be interesting...

Edit: Fast forward to the 2:20 mark. You can hear the tail drive trying to keep up as the heli goes into the vertical. I literally had to hold some right to keep the tail facing away from me. Lon may say something about the vbar not holding the tail and it not being the belt drive. Bottom line is that it didn't need right stick in it's TT configuration. Anyway
LMAO..
Not sure if you know this but im running Vbar on my 600N right now..Flown it with TT and just switched to belt about 3 weeks ago..My 600N makes WAY more power than that 12S setup you had and I slam the crap out of it with no issues what so ever..If anything I would have tail issues being as its nitro but both TT and belt are rock solid as its setup right..
Sorry you didn't know how to setup the tail..

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10-24-2012 05:33 PM  5 years agoPost 53
BladeStrikes

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Ok what was wrong with the "setup". Thank God I don't have to "setup" Align crap anymore.
Good reply ..

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10-24-2012 05:52 PM  5 years agoPost 54
Scott1115

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Large buttered popcorn please!

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10-24-2012 06:10 PM  5 years agoPost 55
kruuuzn

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I learned the HARD WAY how much my Logo aluminum boom will contract while flying in 8°F weather last year.

And what makes it worse is to have a nice cozy 85° "heli-hut" at the field with plenty of wood for the stove. Do the math on the temperature difference.

Don't be this guy!

Nothing but a carbon fiber boom for me from now on.

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10-24-2012 06:19 PM  5 years agoPost 56
RM3

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....um...what was the original question?
I learned the HARD WAY how much my Logo aluminum boom will contract while flying in 8°F weather last year
like Dood figured out...around 1/2mm ?

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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10-24-2012 08:01 PM  5 years agoPost 57
RappyTappy

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I find it best not to argue with the resident heli masters on this forum anymore. Peace out.

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10-24-2012 08:05 PM  5 years agoPost 58
Rogman88

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My 600N makes WAY more power than that 12S setup you had and I slam the crap out of it with no issues what so ever.
Yeah...nitro is known for making WAY more power than high voltage electrics... These types of comments are why nobody takes you seriously anymore. Anyway back to the topic at hand. Some belt designs are better than others. In my personal hands on experience the Logo is far superior than the Trex 600 ESP that I owned in terms of belted performance in one particular move. You can blow smoke about setup etc...and not offer reasons for why it could be a bad setup (because there are none)...instead do your patented personal attack patterns...try and make yourself out to be Bert Kammerer in videos or whatever...your MO is already established and quite amusing.

Bottom line, my Logo flies great without "setup", as you call it. Crown gears and one ways don't strip under normal flight conditions, and the belt doesn't inhibit performance in anyway.

Air doesn't break my Logo as in both of our Align experiences...ground breaks it. I can live with it being my fault. Since you posted a recent video...I guess I'll have to post one too...

Watch at YouTube

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10-24-2012 08:10 PM  5 years agoPost 59
Wave

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I just like the set it and forget it aspect of torque tubes. I can put 200 flights on one without even inspecting it.

Works for me.

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10-24-2012 09:03 PM  5 years agoPost 60
OICU812

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Guys guys..

SAB goblin does not have a belt tensioner. If its called that it certainly doesent really function as one at all. It's more of an indicator of your tension. The spring on there is not no any brute strength to actually keep the belt tensioned at all this is not something to be concerned about as a quick visual check tells you your tension of the belt. Just clearing that up as some seem to think it takes care of something for you it does not and is not needed for that purpose honestly.

Now the only working tensioner system I've seen was on my mini copter Diabolo which from 10 deg F to 90 Deg F did a good job at keeping true consistent tension on the belt and given width of belt and diameter and length of boom it was needed.

Conclusion both belt and TT work and work well if done correctly. Some new machines running belt IMO Missed the mark with tiny ID booms and in their case TT was and is needed scary results running belts on those :O Goblins boom of course very large so no real issues that conflict that way no.

Helis like Logo 700 soon to be released use both. Belt to front of TT. This takes up a lot of the abuse that other TT systems have to take on their own. Tail touches and or hard reversal changes the belt up front absorbs that for you. It's not new it's been done before but simply works as well.

Be well..

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